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Old February 6th, 2017, 07:08 PM   #6821
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A-32

Works have also started on the southern bypass of Albacete, part of A-32 (10.5km), which were awarded in December 2015 (57M€). It will be completed in 3 years.

NEW: A32: west of Albacete (N322) - east of Albacete (A30) 10.5km (January 2017 - Early 2020)

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http://cadenaser.com/emisora/2015/12...98_888323.html
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Old February 6th, 2017, 10:06 PM   #6822
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Ahead "Monestry of El Pueyo". It hasn't translation that word, neither in English nor Spanish. It comes from "podium" in Latin and it is used for places over a hill.

One of streches was till that monestry exit and it was pointed as if a big city was... when it is just a hill
It doesn't traslate smoothly to Spanish but it cognates with "poyo".
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Old February 6th, 2017, 10:15 PM   #6823
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Yes... and no.

"poyo" is something to stand on or to support you to stay on.

Not the same translation. It is a weird word that remains in a lot of places in the north of that region.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 10:20 PM   #6824
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Today's banner is from Molina de Aragón, which is not in Aragón.

But I got browsing on Google Earth for a future trip to Spain. There seem to be interesting scenery in Teruel province, in particular farther away from A-23 in the lonely mountain ranges.

The mountain ranges look complex with gorges, valleys and ridges in all directions. Combined with less vegetation, it seems like a good area for photography and filming scenic roads.

Does anyone know good 'must drive' trips in Teruel province and/or surrounding areas?
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Old February 6th, 2017, 10:26 PM   #6825
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Thousands of them... it depends about what kind of landscapes you wanna visit from the car.

To be honest, the triangle Molina-Calamocha-Teruel is the coldest in Spain. 51 years ago we had the lowest "official" temperature measured in Spain (in weather station conditions): -30ºC


You can choose this one

https://www.google.es/maps/dir/Terue...2339!3e0?hl=es


Departing from Teruel
https://www.google.es/maps/dir/Terue...2339!3e0?hl=es


visiting one 30ish km Roman acueduct from near Albarracín to Cella. Part of it, just a hole, but with some tunnels

https://www.google.es/maps/dir/Terue...2339!3e0?hl=es


Albarracin. 1.000 people and a cathedral (officially, there is a "Teruel AND Albarracin" bishop)
https://www.google.es/maps/@40.40769...2!8i6656?hl=es

Maybe, pretiest village in Spain


you will cross besides start of Tajo river, longest in Spain+Portugal. It is a little creek that ends.... here


Just after the river starts you will enter Castille for a while (Tajo starts in Aragon for 50 metres only)

will cross Tajo in his first bridge https://www.google.es/maps/@40.36017...2!8i6656?hl=es
(yeah, the same one where last bridge is in Lisbon) and enter again in Aragon

and suddently will cross this mountain pass with a stunning mountainscape
https://www.google.es/maps/@40.36727...2!8i6656?hl=es

Take a minute to calculate start of Turia/Guadalaviar and Jucar start point. Both go to Mediterranean and no far one to other... but to go from one to another you have to cross Tajo (which goes to Atlantic!!)

Near Orihuela you can have this

https://www.google.es/maps/@40.51898...2!8i6656?hl=es

and this
https://www.google.es/maps/@40.53509...2!8i6656?hl=es
(almost 5 km straight away over 1450m)

and Peracense castle
https://www.google.es/maps/@40.63709...2!8i6656?hl=es



They are just some places to visit. Even in Castille, even in Aragon, thousand of villages, corners and so on are besides the road
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Old February 6th, 2017, 10:42 PM   #6826
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Does anyone know good 'must drive' trips in Teruel province and/or surrounding areas?
I would generally recommend the area around the Catalonia, Aragon and Valencia tripoint (Terra Alta, Matarraña and Maestrat "comarcas").

In the three regions you can find scenic roads and nice towns (Horta de Sant Joan, Valderrobres or Morella, for instance). It's far from the main touristic circuits, but some people even call it the Spanish Tuscany.

As for roads as such, N-420 and N-232 are the main axes, and their quality greatly depends on the section. There are plans to improve N-232, which has two high mountain passes (Torre-Miró and Querol); in a section near the Teruel/Castellón border the works even started, but they were afterwards suspended due to lack of funds.
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Old February 6th, 2017, 10:52 PM   #6827
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About "de Aragón", there is a second village which is not in Aragon too
(it is an enclave and belongs to Navarre)

https://www.google.es/maps/place/506....0924468?hl=es


Dr. Ramon y Cajal, Nobel Medecine award was born there and lived for two years. His father moved too much, each sibling was born in one village and he was born there
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I like those off-the-beaten-path, desolate landscapes. Like this: https://goo.gl/maps/bMUGuFsVKRr
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I like those off-the-beaten-path, desolate landscapes. Like this: https://goo.gl/maps/bMUGuFsVKRr
Maestrazgo shire is the most isolated in Aragon. Only 3 people/km2.

A-226... is quite good!!!!!

Choose A-1702. And it is refurbished now... I remember when seemed one way or so... it is quite more stunning (in addition, you will have to do A-226 and a visit to La Iglesuela, Cantavieja and mainly little Mirambel deserves a visit)


Just choose where to stop in A-1702
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6455...7i13312!8i6656

or

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6754...7i13312!8i6656


and I remember as an absolutely awful road.....


The shire slogan is "where silence sounds"
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Old February 6th, 2017, 11:16 PM   #6830
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Today's banner is from Molina de Aragón, which is not in Aragón.
You have guessed it, Molina de Aragon is not in Aragon, but in Castile-La Mancha. That's why I stylize its name as Molina ¿de Aragon?. Same happens with Petilla ¿de Aragon?, an exclave of Navarre. Which makes up for a funny question: Where in Aragon you can find Basque signage?
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But I got browsing on Google Earth for a future trip to Spain. There seem to be interesting scenery in Teruel province, in particular farther away from A-23 in the lonely mountain ranges.

The mountain ranges look complex with gorges, valleys and ridges in all directions. Combined with less vegetation, it seems like a good area for photography and filming scenic roads.

Does anyone know good 'must drive' trips in Teruel province and/or surrounding areas?
That's the part of Aragon I have the least explored (nothing at all). A-1702 runs near the Organos de Montoro: https://www.google.es/maps/@40.67551...7i13312!8i6656. Google Maps has an error in the area (as usual): A-1403 ends at Aliaga, the road heading Northeast from there to Ejulve is actually part of A-2403. You can also take the route suggested by alserrod, which goes through some forests. Teruel itself is the least populated provincial capital, and to some extent is our particular Bielefeld: Almost 20 years ago they started a successful campaign stating that 'Teruel exists', which led to jokes saying 'Teruel doesn't exist' (And it appears true for Google, as the current satellite pic shows A-23 U/C and it was already complete in 2006). I'll try to confirm or deny it existence in May, if it exists it's definitely worth visiting.

Now that you mention Teruel province, you reminded me I still have pending a road trip to the Northeastern part, which contains several nice towns (Valderrobres, Calaceite, etc.) as well as a regular road section of the Leon-Burgos motorway.
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Chris, if you are thinking in half-paved roads or so, Aliaga one (ask again before next trip) is highly recommended in summer and deeply not recommended these days in winter.
Some villages in the surroundings have been some days isolated due to snow (A-23 was cut for several hours)
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N-IV: Dos Hermanas-South (AP4) – Los Palacios-North 8.4km (2015/16 to ?) – projectmap
It's expected to open in June 2018.

Source: http://www.diariodesevilla.es/provin...031896959.html
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Old February 7th, 2017, 07:09 PM   #6833
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Today's banner is from Molina de Aragón, which is not in Aragón.

But I got browsing on Google Earth for a future trip to Spain. There seem to be interesting scenery in Teruel province, in particular farther away from A-23 in the lonely mountain ranges.

The mountain ranges look complex with gorges, valleys and ridges in all directions. Combined with less vegetation, it seems like a good area for photography and filming scenic roads.

Does anyone know good 'must drive' trips in Teruel province and/or surrounding areas?
A-226 is also in my bucket list. You shouldn't miss the Cabigordo mountain pass: https://goo.gl/maps/5E1VwadDDEz

The A-228 in the Gúdar-Alcalá de la Selva area is quite scenic too.

I'd also add the western area of Teruel and the bordering regions of Guadalajara and Cuenca. Apart from the endless pine forests around Albarracín, you can visit the source of the river Tajo right at the border between Aragón and Castilla-La Mancha: https://goo.gl/maps/YttBVtyTYex

The CM-210 along the Hoz de Beteta is quite a ride too: https://goo.gl/maps/B5f5DVw57b92

Or the CM-2104 from Cuenca to the Ciudad Encantada: https://goo.gl/maps/Ju5ngZHd8wK2

If you're willing to take part in off-road experiences: https://goo.gl/maps/9bg5MbxLcvH2
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Old February 7th, 2017, 09:26 PM   #6834
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Just saying as a curiosity than in Molina de Aragón was discovered a mineral called today aragonita (es.wikipedia.org/wiki/aragonita), because the discovery of it (XVIII century) happened before the creation of the actual borders, and now the name will prevail for always even if it wasn't discovered in what today is Aragón
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The idea is continuity. When traveling to Lleida, you eventually have to follow signs that say Lleida. The Netherlands has switched to Liège, Aachen, Köln, etc a number of years ago, because that's what you'll eventually have to follow anyway to reach that destination. The Germans are also changing to Dutch names (Nijmegen instead of Nimwegen for example).

Sometimes the exonyms are very different from endonyms and may cause confusion. For example Bergen / Mons, Rijsel / Lille, Kassa / Košice, etc. Because signage usually works with the concept 'less is more', the choice was to pick just one name, the endonym.

The whole exonym / endonym discussion flares up frequently, especially in areas with strong language identities, like Belgium.
Same thing in Croatia.
In Rijeka signs say Trieste (I) instead of Trst (croatian name for Trieste).
In Zagreb you can follow Budapest (H) instead of Budimpesta (croatian name for Budapest).
In Osijek signs say Pecs (H) instead of Pečuh (croatian name for Pecs).
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But in the region of Istria signs are mostly bilingual croatian/italian.
For example:
Pula/Pola
Rijeka/Fiume
Rovinj/Rovigno
Poreč/Parenzo
...etc...
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A2: Macanet de la Selva (C35) – Sils 2.7km (July 2015 to Late 2018) – ? – map
Current degree of execution is around 70%. Pictures from the local press, showing traffic jams in old N-II last week due to the construction works of the new motorway.











Source: http://www.diaridegirona.cat/comarqu...es/827248.html

On the other hand, works of the Vidreres interchange (A-2 - C-35), just south of the Sils - Maçanet section, were awarded in September last year. The existing cloverleaf interchange will be modified to create a more direct C-35 (Barcelona) -> A-2 (Girona) connection, which will be primarily used by northbound traffic leaving toll motorway AP-7 and entering toll-free A-2 towards Girona.

As you can see in the map, south of that interchange (left of the picture), old N-II won't be upgraded to motorway standards (A-2), leaving thus a 11km gap between the end of A-2 and the current end of C-32 in Tordera (which is to be extended to Lloret de Mar).



Source: http://www.elpuntavui.cat/territori/...-vidreres.html

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N-II: Terradelles – Vilafreser (AP7) 3.3km (June 2015 to 2018?) – ? – map
This short section north of Girona is being slowly upgraded to motorway standards. Hopefully it will be renumbered A-2, but I'm afraid we won't know its final numbering until it opens to traffic.

In any event, the Ministry of Public Works announced earlier this week that works on this section could continue after the project had been modified. I don't know if works were stopped or not during a while, but the 2018 deadline is maintained.

Current degree of execution is 65%.

Picture from last summer:



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N-230 Vielha Tunnel

The Vielha / Viella Tunnel. It crosses the main chain of the Pyrenees near Vielha. It is a three-lane tunnel, part of N-230.


Túnel de Viella-1 by European Roads, on Flickr


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N-230 Sopeira

Scenic N-230 through Sopeira (Aragón).



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N-230 Sopeira-4 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-230 Sopeira-5 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-230 Sopeira-6 by European Roads, on Flickr
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At Sopeira you have a huge monestry that can be visited in summer almost all days and on weekends in winter. It is not usual to find a so huge monument with a free entrance (tourism office is in front of monument and it is enough to ask there. They will close office from time to time and will make a free visit to it)
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