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Old March 7th, 2017, 08:53 PM   #6901
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Is there a political recess in Spain? Fomento hasn't updated its front page news stories in a month, normally there is a new release every day or so.

http://fomento.gob.es/mfom/lang_castellano/default.htm

The press center has been updated meanwhile: http://fomento.gob.es/MFOMBPRENSA/
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Old March 7th, 2017, 10:45 PM   #6902
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TF-21 has the highest mountain pass in Spain (not the highest hill to reach by car but a pass to cross from one side to another)
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Old March 7th, 2017, 10:57 PM   #6903
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Roque de los Muchachos on La Palma would be the highest road in the Canarias.
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Old March 7th, 2017, 10:59 PM   #6904
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Since we mentioned Ceuta and Mellila. Is it easy for Spanish citizens to go back and forth to Morocco with their own cars from there? I imagine most everyday items are cheaper on the Moroccan side.
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:06 PM   #6905
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Mallorca government to untoll Soller tunnel.

It is the most expensive tolled road or motorway in Spain (euro/km)

https://www.google.es/maps/place/071....7157866?hl=es

http://www.elmundo.es/baleares/2017/...c448b45eb.html
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:10 PM   #6906
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Mallorca government to untoll Soller tunnel.

It is the most expensive tolled road or motorway in Spain (euro/km)

https://www.google.es/maps/place/071....7157866?hl=es

http://www.elmundo.es/baleares/2017/...c448b45eb.html
So tolls there cannot be paid with Via-T?

Anyhow, special tolls for specific engineering structures (tolls and bridges) are very expensive on a per-distance basis. It is just that Spain, I believe, has very few of such tolls (Somport comes to mind).
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:17 PM   #6907
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Wrong example, since Somport is a toll-free tunnel.

Maybe you were thinking of Cadí tunnel, in Catalonia, which is actually a tolled tunnel. In Andorra there's another similar case (Envalira tunnel), and in France close to the Spanish and Andorran borders there's another one (Puymorens tunnel).

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Since we mentioned Ceuta and Mellila. Is it easy for Spanish citizens to go back and forth to Morocco with their own cars from there? I imagine most everyday items are cheaper on the Moroccan side.
No problem at all. Queues at the border crossing when driving back to Spain may be the only hurdle.

But from my own experience (I have relatives in Melilla), not many people do their daily shopping in Morocco; they probably go there every once in a while to buy particular items, but I guess that most usual products can be bought reasonably well priced in Melilla, where VAT is lower than in mainland Spain.

By the way, a relative of mine was once briefly arrested by customs police when flying from Melilla to Málaga because they thought she was smuggling goods when in reality she was just carrying some presents bought there. IIRC she had to pay the additional taxes and then all was over.
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:18 PM   #6908
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I guess no.... but it is not usual to move from mainland to islands by car. There are ferries, but not usual. In addition, it is the only place in the island tolled, therefore, you would pay to save some minutes. Picture seems to be taken in peak hour. It is 1x1 and not so long
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:37 PM   #6909
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:40 PM   #6910
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I know someone who will keep really happy day when we will see HU-30 in addition to this H-30.....
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:41 PM   #6911
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TF-21 has the highest mountain pass in Spain (not the highest hill to reach by car but a pass to cross from one side to another)
Wikipedia says it's not, but in Sierra Nevada (mainland Spain); although being within a national park it's closed to traffic. How high is TF-21? In Andalusia there are mountain passes well above 2000 m.
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Old March 7th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #6912
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Wikipedia says it's not, but in Sierra Nevada (mainland Spain); although being within a national park it's closed to traffic. How high is TF-21? In Andalusia there are mountain passes well above 2000 m.
Not exactly sure, in the mountain pass you can take the cable which is 2.356 m.osl, therefore quite high (pass would be 2.300ish m)

I meant only roads side to side. This is... sometimes you can approach a mountain, road arrives till a side and that's all. I do not consider that, just those about valley to valley.

Obviously not in Spain but Envalira pass, in Andorra is 2.500ish
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Old March 8th, 2017, 12:06 AM   #6913
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Envalira pass is 2408m high.
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Old March 8th, 2017, 12:10 AM   #6914
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Thanks. I knew it is the highest in the Pyrenees. I have been 2000 by car in a half-paved path. Gorgeous views but impossible to drive in winter.


About routes... here there is an article about highest villages (not mountain pass, just villages) in Spain.
http://elviajero.elpais.com/elviajer...mple&link=guid
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Old March 8th, 2017, 12:55 AM   #6915
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TF-21 has the highest mountain pass in Spain (not the highest hill to reach by car but a pass to cross from one side to another)
How high is it? I can't remember the markers along the road.

According to this website it is just over 2300m:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitne...-cyclist-34955

According to this one you can drive to over 2600m:
http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...-21-spain.html
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Old March 8th, 2017, 01:01 AM   #6916
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So tolls there cannot be paid with Via-T?

Anyhow, special tolls for specific engineering structures (tolls and bridges) are very expensive on a per-distance basis. It is just that Spain, I believe, has very few of such tolls (Somport comes to mind).
It appears so. Being on an island it would be rather pointless to have that. Soller tunnel is really a troll tunnel if going Southbound, since there is no notice of it being tolled until you are inside it. Northbound you can see the toll booth and take the old road through the mountain pass instead.

And Somport tunnel is toll-free. I drove through it and into France back in September, and then back to Spain on the old road through the pass.
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I know someone who will keep really happy day when we will see HU-30 in addition to this H-30.....
HU-20 (not 30) is planned. But I don't think we'll see that. I rather see A-22 being completed. But at this rate it won't happen before 30 February.
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Old March 8th, 2017, 11:29 AM   #6917
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How high is it? I can't remember the markers along the road.

According to this website it is just over 2300m:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/fitne...-cyclist-34955

According to this one you can drive to over 2600m:
http://www.dangerousroads.org/europe...-21-spain.html
According to altitude data in Google Earth, TF-21 reaches just over 2350 m. TF-24 also runs around 2300 m. There is an unpaved side road from TF-21 that goes up the slopes of Teide up to 2700 m, it's mapped in Google Earth but closed to traffic.



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Old March 8th, 2017, 06:58 PM   #6918
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2.309 m osl in the cross to road/path to cable. You can reach the cable by car... but it would be a "hill", not a mountain pass. This is, highest point going from one side to another side, not terminus.

In mainland, as written, Valdelinares (1692 m osl) is the highest municipality (providing level on town hall) in Spain. The little ski resort is 1960 m osl. It is a mountain pass indeed and parking is... atop!!!!, it could be the unique case where you have an Alpine ski resort and all cars will park atop, you will slide and return by cable (and not conversely as usual, parking down, cable and slide)
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Old March 8th, 2017, 08:42 PM   #6919
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According to altitude data in Google Earth, TF-21 reaches just over 2350 m. TF-24 also runs around 2300 m. There is an unpaved side road from TF-21 that goes up the slopes of Teide up to 2700 m, it's mapped in Google Earth but closed to traffic.
I checked on Google Earth and TF-21 reaches 2362 metres above sea level, just around Mirador de Tabonal Negro. I think it is the highest pass on the island.
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As a regular road... can Bonaigua (2072m) be second in Spain?
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