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Old January 17th, 2008, 09:19 PM   #681
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All modes?

I disagree...
Not the best in every mode, but for sure the best as a whole.

Metro and motorway network are among the best in the world, and buses and commuter trains are fine.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 12:30 AM   #682
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What mode of transport isn't good in Madrid?
Buses and tramways are much worse than in other European cities...

Metro and highways are OK.
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Yo si la ciudad no tiene metro, como que no es gran ciudad y entonces ya paso de vivir allí. Norreport+12000
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Old January 18th, 2008, 01:55 AM   #683
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Buses and tramways are much worse than in other European cities...

Metro and highways are OK.
You don't seem to be too objective, metro and highways just OK? They're impressive! I wish we could have even half of that in my city or elsewhere in my country

I don't think buses are bad at all, there're lots of them and take you everywhere. The tramways are almost new, they might not work as well as expected but it's nice they have decided to install them again. And don't forget the extensive commuter train network, which I liked very much too

Overall we can say Madrid has a very good transportation system. Of course it has some problems, like any other big city, but it's a fact they're doing an excellent work
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Old January 20th, 2008, 09:08 AM   #684
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Old January 21st, 2008, 12:37 PM   #685
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Old January 22nd, 2008, 11:25 PM   #686
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Massive pileup at the A-42 Toledo - Madrid, over 100 vehicles involved



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Old January 22nd, 2008, 11:30 PM   #687
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Fortunately, only 68 wounded
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Old January 22nd, 2008, 11:33 PM   #688
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My cousin was one of 'em, fortunately he's now at home.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 12:06 AM   #689
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Oh sorry!

What happened?
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 01:25 AM   #690
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Looks like fog, I read an intresting article about European drivers and their mentality geography wise. According to a survey among truckdrivers the worst drivers i europe you find in the Mediterranean countries, specifically Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal. Typically anarchistic drivers that
don't respect driving rules are much more common in the south of europe than in the north. Drunk driving is also more commonplace despite the fact that north europeans ie Swedes and Finns consume more alcohol.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 12:07 PM   #691
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Yes, statistics prove that. Though Malta is the safest country, but it's so tiny. The Netherlands is the safest country on earth that has some more dimensions than a city state or a small island. Portugal, Italy and eastern European countries are generally unsafer, though the chances you are involved into an accident are minimal.

But you have to see this in perspective, it also depends on geography, the number of motorways, how busy the traffic is etc.

I read in a 1963 traffic engineering magazine, that in France, in that time during the summer, over 60 people got killed on the roads daily. But France had the least developed road network of the EEC at that time (EEC = EU nowadays).
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It would be interesting to have an updated data with the number of fatal accidents during the last 10 year per country or something similar. Some EU countries suchs as France, Portugal or Spain has seen how killed people on their roads drop drastically in the recent years.

As for Spain. in 1996 over 4.000 people died on the roads, 3.516 in 2004 and 2.741 in 2007.
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Here you have an interesting chart about this issue.



The low number of deaths in the Netherlands is impressive, as well as the high rates in the Baltics.
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Looks like fog, I read an intresting article about European drivers and their mentality geography wise. According to a survey among truckdrivers the worst drivers i europe you find in the Mediterranean countries, specifically Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal. Typically anarchistic drivers that
don't respect driving rules are much more common in the south of europe than in the north. Drunk driving is also more commonplace despite the fact that north europeans ie Swedes and Finns consume more alcohol.
I was on the A-42's fog and I don't think that irresponsibility was the cause, I was driving at 40Km/h and I had to stop sharply because I didn't see a car stopped in front of me (I didn't hit it for some cm). Fortunately I wasn't involved in the accidents (there was 3 accidents with ~11km of cars each one), I had to stop only for allow the firemen move to the other carriageway.

A fire truck and some ambulances were also involved in the accidents.

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EST, LAT and LTU are at the top (beside POR), i've heard it allready, but i don't know why. probably poor roads.
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Maybe a lot of drunk driving. Vodka is more usual there.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 03:52 PM   #697
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EST, LAT and LTU are at the top (beside POR), i've heard it allready, but i don't know why. probably poor roads.
The main reason is actually driving error, not drunk driving or poor roads.(I'd say that roads in the Baltics are generally better than in Poland) Also there isn't enough police control. Most of the old EU has had speeding cameras for years. We are introdoucing these just this year. But you can't say that the government isn't doing anything. From 2008-2011 Estonia will invest almost 80 million Euros for the improvement of traffic safety, which is quite a lot for a country this small.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 04:31 PM   #698
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Maybe I think that there are more reasons why in the Baltic countries the amount is so high:

1) drunk people take the car
2) not respecting speed limits
3) dangerous sections
4) bad state of roads (asphalt/concrete/bad signs/wrong speed limits)

But the figures presented in the chart don't say anything about the cause of the high amount of deaths by car accidents.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 04:40 PM   #699
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Also driving culture is very young. During Soviet occupation there were very few private cars, because you needed a permit to buy a car. A good example of it is the number of public transport users in Tallinn. In 1990 it was 80%. Now it's 30% or less.

BTW, only aroung 20% of accidents are caused by druck driving.

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Old January 23rd, 2008, 04:55 PM   #700
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Moreover, motorways have proven to be far safer than the rest of roads. In Spain, around 24% of the total fatalities happened in Autovías and Autopistas.
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