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Old April 24th, 2017, 10:32 PM   #6981
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A-21 is being constructed on the other side of the river, so you don't see much from N-240 between Jaca and Puente la Reina de Jaca. However when I drove A-176 north to Hecho, I passed under an overpass of A-21. The works appeared to be dormant with weeds growing over it.
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Old April 24th, 2017, 10:53 PM   #6982
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It is in the area more near to Jaca where it seems to be more advanced but as you say, in the other side of the river.

If that stretch is opened we will have a motorway-road-motorway-road.... and so on, with small streches and no continuity
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Old April 25th, 2017, 07:22 PM   #6983
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A-1 Autovía del Norte

A-1 realignment near Pardilla (Burgos province).

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Old April 25th, 2017, 08:08 PM   #6984
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There are some more realignments along the A-2, A-3 and A-4:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5528...!3m1!1e3?hl=es
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8573...!3m1!1e3?hl=es
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6509...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

I guess they are all part of the plan for the refurbishment of the oldest autovías.
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Old April 26th, 2017, 01:52 AM   #6985
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cool

strongest realignment in A-2 was done here. 2km new
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4544...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

I drove there last sunday and it is impossible to notice about former motorway
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Old April 26th, 2017, 10:52 AM   #6986
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Meawhile in Andalusia...
https://www.google.es/maps/@37.24046...8910775,12.34z

(the president of Andalusia when this highway was built was born in Estepa )
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Old April 26th, 2017, 11:02 AM   #6987
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It's not so crazy as it looks on a map, there is a steep mountain range south of Estepa that rises up some 400 meters from the surrounding land.

They would either have to use tunnels or bypass Estepa too far south, like the railroad.

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Old April 26th, 2017, 11:13 AM   #6988
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It's not so crazy as it looks on a map, there is a steep mountain range south of Estepa that rises up some 400 meters from the surrounding land.

They would either have to use tunnels or bypass Estepa too far south, like the railroad.
Well, the only mountains are to the north-east of Gilena and Pedrera, the highway didn't have to "bypass" them, just to go more at the south of this mountains. It wouldn't be a bypass because both lines between Osuna and La Roda or between Gilena and La Roda go through a completely plain area, and with the second option, Estepa would be only 7km far from the highway and not having to cross these mountains.

I know the mountains seem to be a good excuse, but I have always think that the southern route is a better option. Estepa is not that big.
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Old April 26th, 2017, 11:14 AM   #6989
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It's not so crazy as it looks on a map, there is a steep mountain range south of Estepa that rises up some 400 meters from the surrounding land.

They would either have to use tunnels or bypass Estepa too far south, like the railroad.
But if you look at the High Speed Rail line under construction south of Estepa (between Aguadulce and La Roda de Andalucía), you'll see that it avoids the mountain range without a single tunnel.

In my opinion A-92 should be rerouted via Pedrera, leaving the current alignment between Aguadulce and Estepa as part of A-318.
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Old April 26th, 2017, 11:26 AM   #6990
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A-231 in Castilla y Leon makes a little detour too

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.50318...5219,10z?hl=es

Between Leon and Burgos, direct line would be along Saldaña, not Osorno, but administration preferred to link Carrion and Sahagun.

At least they avoided some other detours of current N-210
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Old April 26th, 2017, 11:31 AM   #6991
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An alignment south of the mountains would bypass Estepa - the largest town along A-92 in this area and served by 4 exits.

But it would also put other towns like Casariche, Herrera and Puente Genil even further from the autovía, and they have a combined population of over 40,000.

It makes more sense for a high-speed rail to bypass population centers of that size than an autovía.
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Old April 26th, 2017, 11:37 AM   #6992
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But the current alignment of A-92 north of Estepa wouldn't be closed down, it would be left for local traffic to Estepa and as a connection for A-318 towards Herrera and Puente Genil, while the new alignment of A-92 south of Estepa would save more than 10 km for long-distance traffic Sevilla - Málaga / Granada.
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Old April 26th, 2017, 11:45 AM   #6993
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An autovía and a High Speed Railway aren't designed with the same accessibility criteria in mind. Also, the roads in the area (the Carretera de Alcalá de Guadaira á Casariche first, then the N-334) have traditionally go through Estepa. No wonder the A-92 was built along the same corridor.

Here's a map from the early 1940s:


We could also argue about the A-4 not having been re-routed via Toledo and Ciudad Real, or the A-6 via Segovia, Valladolid and León. That would've made much more sense, IMO.
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Okay, I thought we were talking about the historic perspective and motivation to build A-92 around Estepa instead of further south.
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Old April 26th, 2017, 02:25 PM   #6995
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Also, in between being the Alcala de Guadaira to Casariche road and N-334, the road through Estepa was C-338. N-334 was originally planned to connect Seville and Malaga, leaving A-92 corridor at Osuna and follow what is now A-378, a new alignment from Los Corrales to Campillos and A-357. I suspect the unbuilt section was cancelled and N-334 was rerouted to Antequera over sections of C-338 and C-3310.

BTW, not too far from Estepa is the "red" town of Marinaleda. Who would guess a communist enclave exists somewhere in Spain...
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An autovía and a High Speed Railway aren't designed with the same accessibility criteria in mind. Also, the roads in the area (the Carretera de Alcalá de Guadaira á Casariche first, then the N-334) have traditionally go through Estepa. No wonder the A-92 was built along the same corridor.
I didn't know there were historical reasons. In this case, it makes sense, however I listened several times critics about this surrounding made by different people but never heard nothing about the situation of the roads in this area before A-92 were built.

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BTW, not too far from Estepa is the "red" town of Marinaleda. Who would guess a communist enclave exists somewhere in Spain...
The communist enclave is even bigger, I would say: Badolatosa, La Roda de Andalucía, Marinaleda, Casariche, Pedrera, Gilena... traditionally had majors of IU with similar policies than Sánchez-Gordillo, but Marinaleda's mayor is just the most mediatic one and the only one in this zone who remained for the longest posible time (since the first democratic elections), 1978
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A-21 Autovía de Pirineo

I made a video of A-21 from Yesa to Pamplona. It's a really nice autovía, almost no traffic and great wide open landscapes.

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Old April 29th, 2017, 09:16 PM   #6998
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Great video. That area of Navarre is one of my favourites. I keep fond memories of a Javierada in which I took part (a pilgrimage towards the castle of Javier).

Also, that distinctive mountain that can be seen at the background many times (3:32, 5:39) is the famous Higa de Monreal. Almost every day I can see its shape ... from Logroño, which is some 80 km apart


Once this autovía (along with the A-23) is finished it'll be a good toll-free alternative to the AP-68+AP-2 for traffic between Bilbao and Barcelona. According to Google Maps, Bilbao-Vitoria-Pamplona-Jaca-Huesca-Lleida-Barcelona is 610 km, while the route via Logroño and Zaragoza is 609 km.
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I made a video of A-21 from Yesa to Pamplona. It's a really nice autovía, almost no traffic and great wide open landscapes.
A-21. I drove it the very same day the video was shot (but I didn't see any Dutch cars), and I may drive it again next Saturday if my plans come through. It doesn't quite reach Pamplona, as it merges onto AP-15/A-15 a few kilometers before in Noain. Also, I didn't see any runners crossing the footbridge at 9:24, there was a trail running race that same day in the area which I attended.
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A-73

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A73: Bascones de Valdivia – Pedrosa de Valdelucio 12.0km (Early 2017 to 2020) – ? – map
Construction works have recently started in another section of A-73:

A73: Aguilar de Campoo (A67) - Bascones de Valdivia 6.0km (Early 2017 to ?)

Once completed, A-73 will become the shortest connection between Madrid and Santander, thanks to the shortcut between A-1 in Burgos and A-67 in Aguilar de Campoo.
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