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Old June 20th, 2017, 04:41 PM   #7101
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Wow, I didn't know it was going to bee three lanes wide! That's great

About A-33, I just hope it doesn't take another 10 years to finish the remaining stretch. It's ridiculous how such an easy job can be grounded for such a long time because of bureucratic issues.
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Old June 20th, 2017, 05:29 PM   #7102
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Unfortunately the Minister said yesterday that the remaining parts of the section (interchanges with A-31 and A-35) won't be completed until late 2019...

The other section of A-33 currently under construction (Jumilla - Yecla) will be ready sooner, sometime next year.

By the way, here you have some pictures of the 5 km section that was opened yesterday:













Source: http://www.levante-emv.com/multimedi...t-figuera.html
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Old June 20th, 2017, 05:33 PM   #7103
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Is it most of it 3x2?
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Old June 20th, 2017, 05:38 PM   #7104
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I'd say it's mostly 2+3: the southbound carriageway has 3 lanes while the northbound one only has 2 (there are some pictures showing it in the link to the photo gallery).
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Old June 21st, 2017, 06:41 PM   #7105
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By the way, here you have some pictures of the 5 km section that was opened yesterday:

Source: http://www.levante-emv.com/multimedi...t-figuera.html
Nice. Exit 86 appears to be the northern exit at La Font de la Figuera.
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Old June 21st, 2017, 06:43 PM   #7106
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There is also a nearly finished new exit on AP-8: Exit 77 Ermua. I wonder if it is a replacement for the nearby exit to Ermua / Eibar-West? If they remove that exit, they can build a proper bypass for both Ermua and Eibar on N-634.
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Old June 21st, 2017, 09:43 PM   #7107
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Nice. Exit 86 appears to be the northern exit at La Font de la Figuera.
I'm almost 100% sure it's the southern exit. The pictures are put in chronological order, so the bus is driving southwards, given that in the first picture with the bus there are 3 lanes, then in the second one there are signs showing that the carriageway is reduced to 2 lanes (while the exit starts to be announced), and finally in the third picture we can see that the exit is located shortly before the end of the motorway section.

Besides, it makes more sense to announce CV-660 towards Fontanars and Ontinyent in the southern exit than to do it in the other one. Using the northern exit, drivers would have to drive through La Font de La Figuera to get to CV-660.
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Old June 22nd, 2017, 02:32 AM   #7108
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There is also a nearly finished new exit on AP-8: Exit 77 Ermua. I wonder if it is a replacement for the nearby exit to Ermua / Eibar-West? If they remove that exit, they can build a proper bypass for both Ermua and Eibar on N-634.
https://www.google.es/maps/place/Erm...9!4d-2.5037039 it looks it's that.
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Old June 22nd, 2017, 09:51 PM   #7109
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N-330a Puerto de Somport

I filmed the Col du Somport / Puerto de Somport last week, going south from France into Spain. As you can see the road is more modern on the Spanish side, as is often the case in the Pyrenees. However in this case the road on the French side has almost no function anymore since the tunnel opened to traffic in 2003. The Spanish side serves the Candanchú ski resort.

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Old June 23rd, 2017, 12:38 AM   #7110
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I have never seen any refurbishment in French side since they decided to build tunnel.

Spanish side was refurbished in 1995. That year Tour de France reached Jaca as end of day and I remember that road lines weren't painted yet. Next day they had five 1st class or special class summits for cyclers!!!!

Overpass in Candanchu was built later but cannot remember. In 1995 everyone had to cross that ski resort and nowadays, let's say it is N-330b or so for a while.

In minute 4:20 or so, there is a building in the right side. It is an army camp. Mountain army has base in Jaca and that's a point for exercices

In the nearbies there is a "chimney" for tunnel (Somport tunnel) due to it is the deepest point near it. A way to take any smog or so and take it out in the middle of tunnel (more or less it is the middle indeed)


French railways SNCF remains with service Bedous-Canfranc (they made Oloron-Canfranc but after opening until Bedous, it is served by train till there and keep on to Canfranc by bus).

They had a call in the summit, in the French side and arrived Canfranc. Since tunnel was opened they preferred to go through tunnel and reach summit from Spanish side. (Bus stop remains in French side of summit, hence only Canfranc as stop in Spain).


There are a lot of stories about Canfranc station former border.

One out of them (and not out of order!!!), French police is entitled to take actions over French citizens inside village.

It was due to they required a lot of people working there. Customs, railway operators, maintenance, and so on... they had school and used several Spanish services.

French police mainly was in border but was entitled to have a tour on village and call any French citizen for any issue.

Whilst IIWW, German police occupied that station in the French side and they were very aware about French citizens in Canfranc due to possibilites of scape.

It is only one... there are hundred or more
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 01:09 AM   #7111
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I filmed the Col du Somport / Puerto de Somport last week, going south from France into Spain. As you can see the road is more modern on the Spanish side, as is often the case in the Pyrenees. However in this case the road on the French side has almost no function anymore since the tunnel opened to traffic in 2003. The Spanish side serves the Candanchú ski resort.
Back in September I went to watch an ultra trail race in the area, and I crossed Somport tunnel just to drive back into Spain over the pass. Candanchu isn't the only ski resort in the area, there's also Astun nearby, and Somport nordic ski station on the French side (but better accessed from France by crossing the tunnel and doubling back over the pass). Candanchu features a rare instance of a road bypassed twice: the original route of N-330 was bypassed in the 90s and became N-330a. Later the Somport tunnel was built and N-330 was routed there, and as result N-330 over the pass became N-330a and N-330a through Candanchu became N-330b. And is fully signed as such.

As a fun fact, before driving into France I hiked into a valley (Canal de Izas) which also happens to be the namesake of a charity that aims for the research about a type of brain cancer and was created after a little girl died from that. So I did the hike while wearing a T-shirt of that charity.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 08:26 AM   #7112
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There are 3 km from Astun and Candanchu (Cross to Astun is almost exactly in the border). Nowadays, ski forfaits are joined and there are bus shuttles to shift from one resort to the another.

Cross-country ski resort is in the French side (well, binational when there are some routes that crosses border and can be seen in google street view). do not know if possible to buy a whole forfait (cross-country and Alpin ski but people who go there usually choose either one or another).

And... somport summit has two bus stops quite near. One with the line Astun-Jaca which will call in the cross (50-100m ahead border) and another one Somport-Canfranc-Tunnel-Bedous which will have terminus in the summit, French side.
(both call in Canfranc in the same point, in front of railway station)
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I wonder who operates the French part of the road. It doesn't even seem to be a departmental road, there is no road number signed.
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 09:59 AM   #7114
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AFAIK, it is RN-134a or so... but hasn't been paved or enlarged in two decades or more.
No one goes there as you could see... even bus prefers to go through tunnel and approach from Canfranc.
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This is the area with an army camp in the minute 4:20 of your video and where a hole for gazes and so exists in the surroundings

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Especially in the winter N-330a is a better road access to Candanchú, even from France. It's probably better to drive through the Somport Tunnel and then turn around at Canfranc and take the wide, spacious road up to Candanchú instead of the narrow and steeper road on the French side. The French side has grades up to 10%, not very favorable in winter conditions.
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Especially in the winter N-330a is a better road access to Candanchú, even from France. It's probably better to drive through the Somport Tunnel and then turn around at Canfranc and take the wide, spacious road up to Candanchú instead of the narrow and steeper road on the French side. The French side has grades up to 10%, not very favorable in winter conditions.
It is quite strategic for Spain due to there are two ski resorts there...

As said, it is the lowest mountain pass in Central Pyrenees. Atila crossed there with elephants against Rome and St.James lane goes there too.
In addition, in the middle age it was said that three main hospitals received pilgrims to main destinations: Jesusalem hospital, another near St. Gotard for going Rome and Sta.Cristina, quite near Candanchu for going St.James. It doesn't exist any more and we only know where it was.


Language issues: Candanchu comes from French: Camp d'Anjou
Somport (same word in French and Spanish) comes from Latin: Summus Portus. (Maximal Mountain Pass)
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Old June 23rd, 2017, 10:21 AM   #7118
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I wonder who operates the French part of the road. It doesn't even seem to be a departmental road, there is no road number signed.
According to WikiSARA, the official road numbers are RN134 for the pass and RN1134 for the tunnel. Both are operated by the DIR - Atlantique (Direction Interdépartamentale des Routes).

http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_n...%C3%A7aise_134
http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_n...C3%A7aise_1134
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Is it a given that tolls will be removed from all Autopistas whose contracts are going to expire in the early 2020s? Or could they be tendered as concessions, new ones, with cheaper tolls likely and/or additional expansion packages?
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Many toll roads in the northeast were built during the 1970s and may be up for a major overhaul post-2020. I think that's something to keep in mind when awarding a new concession or taking them over by the state. Pavement quality of Spanish toll roads is also of a bit lower standard than typically found in France or Italy. To be sure - it's not bad pavement, but not of the same quality you'll get for paying tolls in France or Italy.

Are there plans to expand the short border segment of AP-7 near La Jonquera? The French are now expanding A9 all the way to the border crossing, leaving just a small Spanish stretch of four lanes between Remoulins and Vila-Seca (a 507 kilometer long stretch).
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