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Old July 3rd, 2017, 02:50 AM   #7201
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This inconsistent way of naming roads is as well observed sometimes in France (RN for Route Nationale instead of the simpler and oficial N for Nationale, and the same for the RD instead of D for Routes Departamentales).

Similar case in Germany, where sometimes I've seen some Autobahnen named as BAB for Bundesautobahn instead of the more common A for Autobahn.

Actually, I would say that the only country which names roads this way is Italy with the SS, SR and SP (for Strade Statali, Regionali and Provinciali).

Just weird...
But the Bundesstrassen, always "B 96a" and never "BS"
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 12:06 PM   #7202
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but only autovias had dashed line, right? autopistas always had solid?
Nope, autopistas also had dashed lines. Probably some autopistas used solid lines, especially if they were opened before 1987 and the concessionaire never bothered to change the style.

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it seems to me little bit unclear atm becuse A2 has solid line on Street View. also, I am sure that C25 had dashed, but on Street View also has solid. and I aa pretty sure that 1-2 years ago there was news that only solid line is starting to be used.
As I said, the "new" proposed style of road marking has been being tested for years in many places. You can find that the A-2 has solid lines in the province of Soria but dashed lines in Barcelona.

The C-25 is not managed by Fomento, but by the Catalan Government, so the regulations made by Fomento don't apply. That's also why the directional signage is different.
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 08:31 PM   #7203
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N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas

The Puerto de Tornavacas - or Tornavacas Pass - is a 1275 meter high mountain pass of N-110 at the Extremadura-Castilla y León border.

I took some photos last month:


N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas-1 by European Roads, on Flickr

Welcome to Castilla y León, the province of Ávila.

N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas-2 by European Roads, on Flickr

N-110 towards Castilla y León.

N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas-3 by European Roads, on Flickr

N-110 towards Extremadura

N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas-4 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas-6 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas-7 by European Roads, on Flickr

The Extremadura side is curvy and steep

N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas-8 by European Roads, on Flickr

View over Valle de Jerte. The village of Tornavacas is located below

N-110 Puerto de Tornavacas-9 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 11:03 PM   #7204
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Wow, this is a very remote area. You really want to check out every corner of Spain
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Old July 3rd, 2017, 11:52 PM   #7205
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So do I think it!!!! congrats
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Old July 4th, 2017, 01:01 AM   #7206
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@ChrisZwolle, according to the Fomento website they're upgrading the Extremadura side of the road between the towns (or better said, villages ) of Navaconcejo and Tornavacas (14.5 km). Did you see any works?

I did some online research but I could only find some local press articles about a visit by the former Minister Pastor to the works in May last year, when she said that those works would be ready by the first quarter of 2017. However the project still appears on the Fomento website, so maybe there have been some delays...

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Old July 4th, 2017, 08:11 AM   #7207
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Today, works on A-68 Mallen-Gallur will start on!!
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Old July 4th, 2017, 03:31 PM   #7208
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Wow, this is a very remote area. You really want to check out every corner of Spain
Oh yes, I like to go off the beaten tourist paths and explore the real countryside I don't like the big tourist crowds in overpriced locations for more than a day or so.

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@ChrisZwolle, according to the Fomento website they're upgrading the Extremadura side of the road between the towns (or better said, villages ) of Navaconcejo and Tornavacas (14.5 km). Did you see any works?

I did some online research but I could only find some local press articles about a visit by the former Minister Pastor to the works in May last year, when she said that those works would be ready by the first quarter of 2017. However the project still appears on the Fomento website, so maybe there have been some delays...

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Yes there was construction, they had new pavement with a 40 km/h speed limit that everyone ignored. It didn't strike me as a huge upgrade project though, I thought it was just some reconstruction.
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Old July 4th, 2017, 04:57 PM   #7209
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Hi. In a few weeks i will travel from Munich to Valencia. One part of my trip should be from Orthez in France to Pamplona. I would like to use the D933 on the French site and the N-135 on the spanish Side. Did somebody ever use the same roads and could tell me something about the current condition. are they smooth to ride? Thank you.
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A-68

As alserrod points out, construction has started today on the new section of A-68 between Gallur and Mallén (15.1 km). It will have a cost of €49.75M (€3.29M/km). Current AADT is 13,000, 50% of which are trucks. Opening to traffic is expected in 2020 (source).

When completed (together with its neighboring Figueruelas - Gallur section, under construction since late 2015), there will be a continuous 83 km section of toll-free A-68 between Zaragoza and south of Alfaro, parallel to tolled AP-68 (Spanish style ).

Map of the new section:



Official press release (in Spanish): http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOMBPrens...d-0c2ddd490672
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GJ-20

According to the Fomento website, construction has also started on another motorway section: GJ-20, the motorway access to the port of El Musel, in Gijón (Asturias).

The section currently under construction is 3.46 km long, between Lloreda and Veriña, following current AS-19 road. It will have a cost of €33.08M (€9.56M/km).

Map of the new section:



Official press release (in Spanish): http://www.fomento.gob.es/MFOMBPrens...a-8780a2c390cc
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NEWS

Today the Minister of Fomento (Public Works), visited Aragón to take part in the ceremony of beginning of the works of the A-68 section mentioned a few posts above. He also gave new information regarding other motorway sections currently under construction in that region:

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A23: Arguis – Congosto de Isuela 3km (2007 to Early 2019) [2nd c/w] – ? – map
March 2019.

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A21: Santa Cilia – Jaca-West 9.0km (? to >= Summer 2018) – ? – map
October 2018.*

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A21: Puente la Reina de Jaca – Santa Cilia 7.2km (? to Summer 2019) – ? – map
2019 (no changes).*

Besides, two new sections will be tendered during the summer:

A21: Sigüés - Tiermas (6.6 km)

A22: Huesca - Siétamo (13.2 km)

Source: http://www.lavanguardia.com/local/ar...e-la-a-22.html

* The press article gives the opening dates for these two sections in the opposite way, but I assume it's a mistake, given that the works in Santa Cilia - Jaca West are more advanced than those of Puente la Reina de Jaca - Santa Cilia.
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Old July 4th, 2017, 06:34 PM   #7213
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To be accurate, A-68 works are starting here (and current section is under works till here)

https://www.google.es/maps/@41.83699...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

and will not arrive to Alfaro but to cross with AP-15 only. It is a pity you cannot take there AP-15 direction AP-68. No way than continue N-232 and a detour to take AP-68... if lack of traffic it deserves keeping on to Calahorra (and even to Navarrete)
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Old July 4th, 2017, 09:05 PM   #7214
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@ChrisZwolle, according to the Fomento website they're upgrading the Extremadura side of the road between the towns (or better said, villages ) of Navaconcejo and Tornavacas (14.5 km). Did you see any works?

I did some online research but I could only find some local press articles about a visit by the former Minister Pastor to the works in May last year, when she said that those works would be ready by the first quarter of 2017. However the project still appears on the Fomento website, so maybe there have been some delays...

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Yes there was construction, they had new pavement with a 40 km/h speed limit that everyone ignored. It didn't strike me as a huge upgrade project though, I thought it was just some reconstruction.
Judging from the aerial pictures at TerraServer.com, there were some major changes to the original alignment:

July 2011:


September 2016:
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Old July 4th, 2017, 09:12 PM   #7215
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I still don't understand this trend of building motorways parallel to other tolled motorways. It is ok that the cost of building motorways in Spain is low, but... whatever... I think those resources could be better allocated.
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Old July 4th, 2017, 11:15 PM   #7216
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So do I think it!!!! congrats
It is near my father's home village.
It is a very beautiful area: Valle del Jerte & Comarca de La Vera.


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Oh yes, I like to go off the beaten tourist paths and explore the real countryside I don't like the big tourist crowds in overpriced locations for more than a day or so.



Yes there was construction, they had new pavement with a 40 km/h speed limit that everyone ignored. It didn't strike me as a huge upgrade project though, I thought it was just some reconstruction.
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I still don't understand this trend of building motorways parallel to other tolled motorways. It is ok that the cost of building motorways in Spain is low, but... whatever... I think those resources could be better allocated.
We would like to have that here in Catalonia, where almost all motorways are tolled!
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We do have them:

A-7 between Vandellòs power plant and La Móra: 50 km of toll-free motorway parallel to toll motorway AP-7.

A-2 between Vidreres and Fornells de la Selva: 20 km of toll-free motorway parallel to toll motorway AP-7.

And they still plan to extend A-2 north of Girona all the way to the French border, and A-7 from Vandellòs to Castelló and from La Móra to Torredembarra (and maybe to Vilafranca).

Honestly, I don't understand how anybody can defend this duplicated system. It has terrible consequences for both public finance and the environment. They should spend those funds in bailing out the toll motorways so people don't have to use the old national roads such as N-340 or N-II, where deadly car accidents are really common.

But building two parallel motorways, one tolled and the other one toll-free? That doesn't make any sense except in congested urban areas.
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Two paralel motorways can have sense only if one has barely exits and focused in long distances and second one for local traffic
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In Tarragona it makes some sense the doubling of the highway corridor.

A-2 around South of Girona makes some sense for extending the C-25 and as local Southern access to the city. Other than that. It will be interesting the numbering system and the signaling of all that mess when eventually all those tolled road turn toll-free.
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Buying out a concession is more expensive than to build a new autovía alongside it...

Though what happens when the concession ends? Then the state may have to maintain two parallel motorways...

At € 0.12 per kilometer, the AP-7 is super expensive.
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