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Old September 1st, 2017, 03:35 PM   #7481
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Despite it is a non-populated area and the second smallest province capital (40.000ish people out of a province of 95.000 people), there are six +1+1 roads that joins there.

They are:

Sagunto-Burgos. You have A-23 from Sagunto (Mediterranean) to near Daroca. It is not expected to have more. In last decade I have read only about a 4-5 km overpass for two villages that would be enough. IMHO, maybe they could make something in the 10-10-15 km nearest to Soria direction west, and some other small bypasses but nothing else

Medinaceli-Logroño. A-15 from Medinaceli to Soria already opened and not expected more. This road remains good in the Soria province and it is inside a valley to reach Ebro valley in La Rioja. They should have to think to improve there but nothing special

Zaragoza-Portugal by Zamora. It is expected to have western side as part of A-11 and eastern side as continuing A-15 through AP-15/AP-68 junction.
First one will make part of an axis Barcelona-Porto in the shortest line.
Second one will make Madrid Pamplona shorter and faster (and will improve Barcelona-Porto a little)

A-11 is under projects but recently have read only something in the nearbies of Valladolid, nothing else.
A-15... it is a long time I do not read anything


Those +1+1 are because

- southwestern side has a branch with another road to reach northern side of mountains not far from Madrid, later Segovia and so on. Nothing expected there
- northeastern side has a branch to go to Pamplona faster, without a detour. With A-15, will no need to improve it at all


(and obviously the province has another "road": A-2 Madrid-Zaragoza-Barcelona-France in one corner of the province. Junction A-15/A-2 is inside this province)
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Old September 1st, 2017, 06:02 PM   #7482
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55 km of A-11 are currently under construction between Langa de Duero and La Mallona (20 km west of Soria). These sections will be completed before any other A-11 sections near Valladolid.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 11:06 AM   #7483
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CM-3203

In Albacete, the new Autovía de los Llanos (officially part of CM-3203) was opened to traffic on Monday. It's a 3.5 km dual carriageway with roundabouts connecting the city with its airport.



http://www.abc.es/espana/castilla-la...9_noticia.html





http://www.eldigitaldealbacete.com/2...ia-los-llanos/
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Old September 6th, 2017, 12:05 PM   #7484
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Although the press and the politicians call it "autovía", technically it is not an autovía, but a dual carriageway with roundabouts, as arctic_carlos points out.

I'm just saying this to let people know, so that it's not included in either the List of new motorway or expressway sections or the Motorway openings around the world threads.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 12:52 PM   #7485
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Before someone starts a rant about unused Spanish airports, the one in Albacete serves an important Airbus plant and thus employs a large number of people.
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Old September 6th, 2017, 01:21 PM   #7486
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In addition it is not a highway from city centre TO airport but an upgrade of a road UNTIL cross with airport.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 09:35 AM   #7487
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A-2 Madrid

This sounds like a stupid idea: De la Serna presenta el proyecto para adaptar el carril izquierdo de la A-2 como carril Bus-VAO

They want to change the left lane on A-2 towards Madrid to a Bus/HOV lane in 2018.

A-2 has only three lanes in each direction with traffic volumes between 100,000 and 130,000 vehicles per day. Traffic congestion would worsen significantly if there would be only 2 lanes during rush hour.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 10:08 AM   #7488
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Idea is not bad providing they improve public transport in all directions. This is, easy points to park the car near a commuter station. Free transfer from commuter to underground (not paying two tickets) and so on...

I know people who has commuter line house-work, just only 5-10 minutes on foot to/from stations and says it is better for them to use the car because it is faster. They have to change train as said. I replied... agree but second trains runs every three minutes in rush hours!!!!!!

Sometimes a car bottleneck and easy for bus makes using more public transport but IMHO something more should change.
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Old September 8th, 2017, 11:34 AM   #7489
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This sounds like a stupid idea: De la Serna presenta el proyecto para adaptar el carril izquierdo de la A-2 como carril Bus-VAO

They want to change the left lane on A-2 towards Madrid to a Bus/HOV lane in 2018.

A-2 has only three lanes in each direction with traffic volumes between 100,000 and 130,000 vehicles per day. Traffic congestion would worsen significantly if there would be only 2 lanes during rush hour.
At least there would still be six lanes on off-peak hours. The press release says this will be a dynamic lane which will only be operational in rush hour.

It also seems a bad idea to me though. There's no way that 1/3 of A-2 traffic can be HOV and buses. In Barcelona there's an HOV lane and it carries 10.000 vehicles per day, when there are 150k on the general purpose lanes.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 08:53 PM   #7490
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N-621 Puerto de San Glorio

Puerto de San Glorio is a 1609 meter high mountain pass of N-621 in Northern Spain, on the border of Cantabria and Castilla y León. It is located in the Picos de Europa range.


N-621 Puerto de San Glorio-1 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-621 Puerto de San Glorio-2 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-621 Puerto de San Glorio-3 by European Roads, on Flickr

There is a side road which leads to a viewpoint over Picos de Europa

N-621 Puerto de San Glorio-4 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-621 Puerto de San Glorio-5 by European Roads, on Flickr


N-621 Puerto de San Glorio-6 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old September 9th, 2017, 08:58 PM   #7491
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I am planning going there next July
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Old September 11th, 2017, 12:18 AM   #7492
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In the first picture you can see a non paved path but good for cars. Driving 2,5 km you will reach another aerial mountainscape, quite cool, and seeing, at the same time, the valley you have driven inside Cantabria and another one to Fuente Dé.

Hope you enjoyed that area. Know strongly well
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Old September 11th, 2017, 12:27 AM   #7493
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Is there any snow left in June at Picos de Europa?
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Old September 11th, 2017, 12:51 AM   #7494
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I could ask for a scanned picture in this area some years ago with people skiing (no kind of facilities, they only made a practice) HERE

(https://www.google.es/maps/@43.02917...0!8i3000?hl=es)

but mainly we could say no

(some years ago, biggest snow rain in 50 years or more was after March, not in Christmas or so)
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Old September 11th, 2017, 11:28 AM   #7495
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This weekend I went to Navarre and drove NA-718 across the Urbasa ridge and into the lower Amescoa valley. I consider any NA-xxx other than NA-1xx to be "green", like this one, as Navarre hasn't had any "green" roads since a few years ago (They sign all NA-xxx in orange and NA-xxxx in yellow, with nothing green in between which puzzles me, same happens in the Valencian community).

I've also identified a whole corridor made up by many good secondary roads (mostly orange, with some green and even yellow roads) which I used on the way back. It stretches from Vitoria to Fraga and comprises the following roads: Alava's A-132, NA-132-A, NA-132-B, (bypasses Estella/Lizarra on A-12), NA-132, (section down N-121), NA-5330, NA-1240 (though this can be skipped by crossing Aragon river on a narrow bridge along NA-5330), NA-128, A-1201, A-127, A-125, A-124, A-1209, (up A-23 to Almudevar), A-1210 (Google Maps hasn't updated the section to Tardienta and still shows A-1211), A-1213 (again, Google Maps isn't updated and still shows A-1210), A-129 and A-131.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 11:39 AM   #7496
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Is there any snow left in June at Picos de Europa?
It really depends on the year, but generally it's not uncommon that the snow remains in some places during the whole year. 2017 has been quite hot and dry, so probably the snow melted down before July. A snowfall came down in early August though: http://www.huffingtonpost.es/2017/08...in_a_23073337/

The Picos de Europa massif is one of the places in Spain that gets the most snow. Sometimes the neveros (snowfields?) can remain the whole year as far south as the Sierra Nevada, or even in the ~ 2,000 - 2,500 m high Sierras of Béjar or Gredos in Central Spain: https://foro.tiempo.com/seguimiento-...899#msg3467899
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Old September 11th, 2017, 02:42 PM   #7498
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It really depends on the year, but generally it's not uncommon that the snow remains in some places during the whole year. 2017 has been quite hot and dry, so probably the snow melted down before July. A snowfall came down in early August though: http://www.huffingtonpost.es/2017/08...in_a_23073337/

The Picos de Europa massif is one of the places in Spain that gets the most snow. Sometimes the neveros (snowfields?) can remain the whole year as far south as the Sierra Nevada, or even in the ~ 2,000 - 2,500 m high Sierras of Béjar or Gredos in Central Spain: https://foro.tiempo.com/seguimiento-...899#msg3467899
In June of 2016, there was snow in the peaks and in the shadow areas of the mesa . I have to abort my route going from Fuente De airlift to Cabaña Veronica hut due to that.
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And just a few days after the final section of A-22 was tendered, and a couple days after I passed through the area, Fomento has tendered the A-21 gap near the Yesa reservoir (the Tiermas-Sigües section). If it was managed by nearby Navarre it would probably have been built eons ago...
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In the first picture you can see a non paved path but good for cars.
It is actually paved. Not thet best condition, but paved. It is not paved beyond the scenic overlook, but that part is not open to motorized travel.

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Is there any snow left in June at Picos de Europa?
Not when I was there last June, but 2017 was very hot early in the summer, I had 35°C in Potes. The Picos de Europa are very exposed to weather systems from the Atlantic (the north side is called the Costa Verde for a reason), so I'd guess this area gets lots of snow during the winter.
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