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Old September 25th, 2017, 08:53 PM   #7541
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A-33 Jumilla - Yecla

A-33 Jumilla - Yecla will open 'in the next few days'.
El presidente Fernando López Miras anunció hoy, durante la inauguración de la 56 edición de la Feria del Mueble de Yecla, que el tramo de la autovía A-33 que conecta Jumilla con Yecla “abrirá al tráfico en los próximos días, respondiendo así, con hechos, a un compromiso que habíamos adquirido, y adelantándonos un año a la fecha prevista de finalización de las obras”.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 09:00 PM   #7542
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I guess VF stands for Vía Forestal? I wonder if they even put kilometer markers for forest tracks.
That would be my guess. The road is not really suitable for regular cars or maybe even SUVs past the ski area. It's a gravel road with large rocks and deep ruts. Only heavy duty trucks and 4x4 seemed to use it. I'm not even sure if it is open to the general public.

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Also, was it Javalambre or Valdelinares that you park on the summit, ski down the mountain and get on the chairlift to get back up?
There are two stations at Javalambre, close to the summit and one farther down in the valley. TE-34 connects both, it appears to have been paved rather recently.

What kind of road is TE-34? I couldn't find any kilometer markers on Street View but it seems a fairly high-standard road for the average traffic. TE-34 is not listed in the Aragón road catalogue (nor is any two-digit TE-route). Is it provincial? And why is it then not a TE-V-xxxx number?
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Old September 25th, 2017, 09:05 PM   #7543
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Is the Canyon de Añysclo permanently closed to traffic? I am finding conflicting information online. That was one of the most fun and scenic drives I ever did.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 09:40 PM   #7544
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What kind of road is TE-34? I couldn't find any kilometer markers on Street View but it seems a fairly high-standard road for the average traffic. TE-34 is not listed in the Aragón road catalogue (nor is any two-digit TE-route). Is it provincial? And why is it then not a TE-V-xxxx number?
It's provincial, according to the Spanish wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:...de_Arag%C3%B3n

Also, all I've been able to find about provincial roads in Teruel is this piece of news: https://www.dpteruel.es/DPTweb/la-di...illones-euros/

Some road numbers are mentioned, but only TE-V-XXXX. Whenever the road number is not mentioned, it seems to be a TE-XX road. For instance:
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5.- Refuerzo firme ctra. De Molinos a la N-211 300.000 euros
This is actually the TE-41.
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I wrote about that and a few other provincial roads that are going to be renovated in the Aragonese forums (in Spanish, of course): http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=9095. Among the roads included is also TE-44, which Google Maps has very wrongly as CV-175 (which obviously ends at the regional border between Villahermosa del Rio and Puertomingalvo).
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That would be my guess. The road is not really suitable for regular cars or maybe even SUVs past the ski area. It's a gravel road with large rocks and deep ruts. Only heavy duty trucks and 4x4 seemed to use it. I'm not even sure if it is open to the general public.

There are two stations at Javalambre, close to the summit and one farther down in the valley. TE-34 connects both, it appears to have been paved rather recently.

What kind of road is TE-34? I couldn't find any kilometer markers on Street View but it seems a fairly high-standard road for the average traffic. TE-34 is not listed in the Aragón road catalogue (nor is any two-digit TE-route). Is it provincial? And why is it then not a TE-V-xxxx number?
Both TE-V-xxxx and TE-xx are provincial roads. I believe TE-xx roads are previously unpaved roads and thus did not receive a TE-V-xxxx back in the day.
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Is the Canyon de Añysclo permanently closed to traffic? I am finding conflicting information online. That was one of the most fun and scenic drives I ever did.
It appears so, due to rockslide risk.
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I guess VF stands for Vía Forestal? I wonder if they even put kilometer markers for forest tracks.

Also, was it Javalambre or Valdelinares that you park on the summit, ski down the mountain and get on the chairlift to get back up?
Yup, Via Forestal. They appear to be managed by the regional government since parts of two of them have since become part of A-2520 and A-2705 respectively and they weren't transferred from Teruel province, but not by the Territorial backboning*, Movility and Housing department (which is in charge of all A-xxx and A-xxxx roads). Also, per the old map I have it appears VF-TE-02 splits at the Javalambre summit, with one branch heading to Torrijas and the other to Arcos de las Salinas .

The ski area in which one parks atop it and skies down is Valdelinares, BTW.

* Or whatever word vertebración translates to.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 10:38 PM   #7546
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Strongly amazing that video.

First of all... southernmost eastern ski resort?
No....

Providing mainland Spain centre is in Getafe near A-4 (not in Madrid as many people guess but in Getafe), Sierra Nevada is eastern side thus... southernmost.

But in that area it is, indeed. There is another ski resort not far from there, and it was considered as a ski resort in 1995 despite it was already used for skiing.


About road, I went a long time ago in summer, drove through after parking (no cars ahead) and kept toward summit (2019m, by one mettre, second peak in province).

I reached in a "quarter-paved" path until near the summit and walked for several metres.

Teruel take main infrastructure for TV, radio and all communication in that mountain. Depending of your position you could have strong mobile service or nothing since distance to your company antenna could be longest or shortest (and other services around).

There is a family that it is payed to live there all the year and solve any problem for TV and so. Maybe no problems in a week, maybe a lot of work in the same day.
You have to cross (absolutely, with a chairlift above you) a red ski track to arrive there and that family is prepared to live isolated if strong snow when winter.

Not far from there, in "Pico del Buitre" (Vulture peak) threre is an astronomy observatory.

Little SSC thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1617029

And I guess that a small picture spotted by me five years ago is the only picture taken by a forumer here.

Despite tiny distance, best way to approach observatory is from Torrijas. No problem with a single car even if unpaved (except if snowed or rain)... but that area claim for a direct road to ski resort!!.



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I filmed road A-2520 to the Javalambre ski area in Teruel province.

I think it's the southernmost ski area in eastern Spain. There is another ski area at Valdelinares in southern Teruel province.



The numbering of A-2520 is interesting. Various sources attribute the numbers TE-620, TE-V-6006 or VF-TE-02 to parts of the route.

* TE-620: according to Google Maps it runs for 12 km from La Puebla de Valverde to TE-V-6006 to Camarena de la Sierra. According to the official road log, it runs only 2 km between La Puebla de Valverde and the train station

* TE-V-6006: according to the Aragón road map, it runs from La Puebla de Valverde to Camarena de la Sierra. It is not listed in the Aragón autonomous road catalogue, I suspect this route number would be owned by the province of Teruel?

* VF-TE-02: according to the Aragón road map, it runs from TE-V-6006 to Torrijas or even the Valencia border. It is a gravel road past the Javalambre ski area, which requires a 4x4.

* A-2520: there are kilometer markers from at least km 3-20 posted, all the way to the Javalambre ski area. Google Maps, the official road map and the Aragón road catalogue do not list this number.

So it seems like A-2520 is newly introduced road number. Google Street View shows both TE-620 and TE-V-6006 being posted along the route.







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Old September 25th, 2017, 11:37 PM   #7547
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Really? Is that motorway useful for any rational reason?
As most of you know, in Spain the dream of every politician from the provinces is to have its capital connected to Madrid with a motorway and a HSL. Ciudad Real has its HSL since 1992, but surprisingly it doesn't have any direct motorway connection with Madrid.

Of course A-43 + A-4 is a valid alternative, but not enough for those who claim a motorway on the most direct route, which currently is N-401. At least only a Ciudad Real - Consuegra motorway is planned, instead of a 100% new motorway between Ciudad Real and Toledo.
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Old September 25th, 2017, 11:53 PM   #7548
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Madrid-Ciudad Real

Direct way through Toledo (and obviously UNtolled motorway): 186 km

Via A-4 and turning at Puerto Lapice to Daimiel: 206 km
With 25-30 km you can join these cities and full motorway.
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Yes, for sure is a non-sense.

Even the motorway proposed between Ciudad Real and Consuegra is a whole piece of nonsense. You affect the natural area around Montes de Toledo, and you get closer to the route via Puerto Lápice... At this point, if they want a motorway, upgrading the CM-420 to Puerto Lápice should be more than enough.


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Building a motorway between Daimiel and Puerto Lápice (30 km) would indeed make sense for traffic between Madrid and Ciudad Real, but it wouldn't be attractive for traffic between Toledo and Ciudad Real, which would still use N-401 (118 km vs. 153 km).

They route they have selected for a new motorway between Ciudad Real and Consuegra via Malagón and Urda (71 km) may seem a little redundant, but is useful for both Madrid - Ciudad Real and Toledo - Ciudad Real traffic. Who knows if it will ever get built.
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Toledo-Ciudad Real hasn't enough traffic. Providing all traffic is between both cities (not from Madrid), enough with bypasses. Road is fine and it is not most important point for Ciudad Real.

They should ask for a link from Puertollano to Merida, forgotten since more than a decade ago!! (and direct route Valencia-Lisbon)
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Toledo-Ciudad Real hasn't enough traffic. Providing all traffic is between both cities (not from Madrid), enough with bypasses. Road is fine and it is not most important point for Ciudad Real.

They should ask for a link from Puertollano to Merida, forgotten since more than a decade ago!! (and direct route Valencia-Lisbon)
That is indeed a major gap, like Cuenca -teruel
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That is indeed a major gap, like Cuenca -teruel
I agree with both cases
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Yes, I would say the current exchanges between Toledo and Ciudad Real are well served by a road which in many sections allows speeds up to 100 km/h. It has modern bypasses and tunnels. There are still some urban areas when crossing some towns, but it could be improved easily by new bypasses.
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