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Old September 26th, 2017, 06:41 AM   #7561
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So unlike what I think of as typically European. Wide open spaces and all.
Yes, in many areas of Spain you can find landscapes closer to what you may expect in Texas, some areas of California, Arizona, Utah and in general areas close to the Rockies. Not exactly what you may expect to find in PA or on the East Coast. Anyway, it can be pretty diverse even within the Iberian Peninsula, not only open spaces.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 08:35 AM   #7562
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Let me copy a post I made about a route in Monegros desert, not far from my homecity and a movie recording one week later...


Is it Texas?, no... it is Aragón,

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En uno de mis últimos post sobre los Monegros hablaba de la ruta de Jubierre





Hoy sale que es escenario de rodaje de película




http://www.heraldo.es/noticias/ocio-...8-1361024.html
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Old September 26th, 2017, 01:01 PM   #7563
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The landscape around Teruel is also quite [US] Western-looking, especially the badlands.


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Rambla de Barrachina-19 by Sergio Romeo, en Flickr




I remember a TV program about foreigners living in each region of Spain. In the one about La Rioja, they interviewed a photographer from Oregon. She said that the landscape reminded her of Eastern Oregon and Washington.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 02:24 PM   #7564
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Someone commented on my Javalambre video how it looked similar to Eastern Oregon
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Old September 26th, 2017, 02:48 PM   #7565
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Someone commented on my Javalambre video how it looked similar to Eastern Oregon
But only HERE
https://www.google.es/maps/@40.31912...2!8i6656?hl=es

quite near to Teruel city


More about the area... there are two ski resorts (nowadays, partially from Aragon Government, at first, they belonged to the same company which was bought)

The second one is here
https://www.google.es/maps/@40.38810...!3m1!1e3?hl=es

and it could be the only ski resort where first going down is free.... why?. Because you have to park ATOP, take skies to go down and take lift to get back (instead of parking on base, getting a lift and going down skiing).

Car park is in a mountain pass... which will be 1990m osl (and strongly near, highest peak in the province: 2020, one metter more than Javalambre). It is quite weird because in these hills you start going up, up and up and do not notice you took so much high until you see a pannel.... and best path between two villages is through summit. There aren't valleys nor mountain passes there!!!!!!

https://www.google.es/maps/@40.38810...!3m1!1e3?hl=es
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Old September 26th, 2017, 04:07 PM   #7566
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C-12 Balaguer

Construction on the second phase of the western bypass of Balaguer (Lleida province) will start on 28 September. It is a 2 kilometer section that will cost € 3.6 million. This way through traffic on C-12 can entirely bypass Balaguer. The first phase opened to traffic in 2005.

https://www.segre.com/noticies/comar...8938_1091.html

I spent a late summer vacation in Balaguer last year. The current C-12 through the city is not ideal, it is partially a one-way street. Though the amount of through traffic is low, according to a 2015 traffic count, the AADT was only 1,900 north of Balaguer, of which a portion will have an origin or destination in Balaguer because it is the only town with services and shopping in the region.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 04:13 PM   #7567
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Crossed Balaguer through C-26 (coming from norht, going to west) and I thought I would find urban area but barely houses in that part of town.

It is weird how some roads join
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Old September 26th, 2017, 06:16 PM   #7568
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The section between Jumilla and Yecla, whose opening was yesterday announced for the coming days, is apparently completed since last Thursday, but they're still waiting until the Minister of Fomento has a free spot in his agenda to come and open it. They say that won't happen before next week, given the particular political circumstances of the moment.

Meanwhile, some pictures:









Source: http://www.elperiodicodeyecla.com/la...sta-terminada/
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Old September 26th, 2017, 07:18 PM   #7569
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Yes, in many areas of Spain you can find landscapes closer to what you may expect in Texas, some areas of California, Arizona, Utah and in general areas close to the Rockies. Not exactly what you may expect to find in PA or on the East Coast. Anyway, it can be pretty diverse even within the Iberian Peninsula, not only open spaces.
I've never been to Spain. Unfortunately.
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Spain has a very diverse geography, perhaps the most diverse of any country in Europe. You can find deserts, lush green forests, high mountain ranges, endless plains, major river valleys, canyons, long beaches, rocky coastlines with cliffs, major urban areas, ghost towns, etc.
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Old September 26th, 2017, 08:56 PM   #7571
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An article by the Voz de Asturias about 2+1 roads. They claim the first one in Spain was built in 'Gerona' (the province I presume), but they show a caption of that under a photo that was taken in Sweden.

https://www.lavozdeasturias.es/notic...5518158476.htm

So where is the first 2+1 road in Spain located? We're talking about alternating passing lanes, not climbing lanes on hills (as for example on N-II around Girona).
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Old September 26th, 2017, 09:34 PM   #7572
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Not sure about the first, but 2+1 is a type of road that i have only seen in Galicia (two times)

First I did, was the CG-1.5 west of Santiago, and clearly you can see that is designed to be transformed into a motorway in the future.
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.81411...!3m1!1e3?hl=en

The other was the N-120 east of A Rua, until near of the border with Leon. This was a surprise because it allowed me to go all the route at 100 km/h.
https://www.google.es/maps/@42.45184...!3m1!1e3?hl=en
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Old September 26th, 2017, 11:32 PM   #7573
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An article by the Voz de Asturias about 2+1 roads. They claim the first one in Spain was built in 'Gerona' (the province I presume), but they show a caption of that under a photo that was taken in Sweden.

https://www.lavozdeasturias.es/notic...5518158476.htm

So where is the first 2+1 road in Spain located? We're talking about alternating passing lanes, not climbing lanes on hills (as for example on N-II around Girona).
First ones are C-55 and C-58 in Catalonia.



https://goo.gl/maps/Zz8ykzhh2V62
https://goo.gl/maps/zjjxJA2u8Nn
https://goo.gl/maps/wRBYXAnQuiN2
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Old September 26th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #7574
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I know another 2+1 road: N-121-A in Navarre.

Anyway, I came here to show the shortest road in Aragon: HU-301. It starts at the intersection with HU-300 (which at this point becomes an unclassified road, both are slated to become A-2201 in the future), crosses the Huesca-Canfranc railway at a level crossing and then becomes HU-V-3011. Its length is only 50 meters: https://www.google.es/maps/@42.44081...7i13312!8i6656
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Someone commented on my Javalambre video how it looked similar to Eastern Oregon
And Aragon and Oregon sound similar. There is even a program in the regional TV channel called Oregon TV (itself a play on the channel's name, Aragon TV).
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Old September 27th, 2017, 01:48 PM   #7575
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I'm not sure if the N-121-A, or the Vías Rápidas (or whichever politically-correct name they have now) count as 2+1 roads. One of the main advantages of a 2+1 road, according to the article, is that head-on collisions are avoided. Therefore they should have some kind barrier separating both directions (but not just plastic poles, which seem to be more common in Portugal). Also, some 2+1 roads in Sweden have at-grade intersections.

The roads posted by Vignole are indeed better examples, even though they are 1+1 at some points. Also, they seem to have some direct accesses, so they wouldn't qualify as Vía Rápida.

BTW, I've noticed that the crashbarrier in the first two links provided by Vignole lacks the motorcyclist protection barrier "covering" the pillars. Maybe it's just because the photos were taken before they were installed? Swedish 2+1 seem to have cable barriers, something I judge impossible here.


On a completely unrelated note, the works for the repavement of the LO-20 A-13 and A-12 around Logroño start today. The cost is about €4M and the works are expected to last 10 months: http://www.larioja.com/logrono/obras...181612-nt.html
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Old September 27th, 2017, 05:43 PM   #7576
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Crashbarriers in that road do have protection for motorcyclists, but only in bends.

It's indeed the first "proper" Swedish-style 2+1 road in Spain (with a physical divider, but no access restriction). BTW, it's in Barcelona province, not Girona. There are lots of climbing lanes in Spain, but that's another concept.
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Old September 27th, 2017, 08:40 PM   #7577
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Crashbarriers in that road do have protection for motorcyclists, but only in bends.
That makes sense. I had seen the protection only in some stretches so I thought they had yet to set up the rest.


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It's indeed the first "proper" Swedish-style 2+1 road in Spain (with a physical divider, but no access restriction). BTW, it's in Barcelona province, not Girona. There are lots of climbing lanes in Spain, but that's another concept.
Yep, I'm reading the report and it mentions the C-55 between Castellbell and Manresa (page 45).

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Asimismo, se deben descartar aquellos tramos en los que ya ha sido aplicada la solución, como el tramo de la C-55 entre Castellbell y Manresa (pK 18 al pK 27).
The whole PDF can be downloaded here, where it says "Descarga Informe “Seguridad en carreteras convencionales: un reto prioritario de cara al 2020”": http://seopan.es/seguridad-carretera...-cara-al-2020/

The photo of the Swedish 2+1 appears on page 47. Apparently the journalist who wrote the article just copied the photo (and didn't even bother to check out where Castellbell and Manresa actually are).


On page 48, there's a table comparing different features of 2+1 roads in Europe:



Translation:
Speed limit
AADT
Length of passing lane
Lane width
Shoulder width
Length of critical transition zone (?)
Length out of critical transition zone (?)
Type of separation


This is the list of the roads they suggest that should be converted into 2+1.

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CC.AA Provincia Carretera Longitud del tramo Pkinicio Pkfinal IP
Asturias Asturias AS-19 7,000 10,700 17,700 7,28
Cataluña Barcelona B-140 5,300 0,000 5,300 20,16
Cataluña Tarragona C-31 5,253 135,283 140,536 8,77
Cataluña Barcelona C-31 12,822 165,000 177,822 6,84
Cataluña Gerona C-35 5,708 61,985 67,693 14,01
Cataluña Barcelona C-55 8,930 18,870 27,800 7,38
Cataluña Lérida C-55 9,900 50,100 60,000 9,20
Cataluña Lérida C-55 5,345 60,000 65,345 12,02
Cataluña Barcelona C-58 14,233 25,008 39,241 11,92
Cataluña Gerona C-66 10,500 42,300 52,800 9,92
Madrid Madrid M-100 7,600 15,400 23,000 9,28
Madrid Madrid M-501 7,700 42,850 50,550 14,91
Madrid Madrid M-505 15,250 12,700 27,950 7,66
Madrid Madrid M-505 9,390 38,000 47,390 9,73
Madrid Madrid M-600 7,700 1,000 8,700 7,97
Madrid Madrid M-608 7,700 0,000 7,700 6,66
Madrid Madrid M-608 7,300 7,700 15,000 13,83
Castilla León Burgos N-1 14,050 249,880 263,930 9,23
País Vasco Álava N-124 7,230 31,420 38,650 11,02
Valencia Valencia N-332 5,210 220,850 226,060 10,79
Valencia Valencia N-332 9,970 236,960 246,930 13,30
Andalucía Cádiz N-340 6,680 10,290 16,970 11,41
Andalucía Granada N-340 18,560 335,540 354,100 7,45
Valencia Alicante N-340 6,910 678,780 685,690 7,82
Valencia Valencia N-340 9,950 827,300 837,250 37,77
Cataluña Tarragona N-340 10,170 1097,920 1108,090 7,08
Andalucía Sevilla N-4 6,060 579,380 585,440 10,55
Andalucía Sevilla N-4 9,640 585,440 595,080 9,18
Andalucía Cádiz N-4 11,970 615,900 627,870 6,66
Galicia Pontevedra N-550 12,200 84,400 96,600 9,12
Galicia Pontevedra N-550 7,840 108,040 115,880 9,89
Navarra Navarra PA-30 5,780 3,620 9,400 7,19

I also found this presentation (PDF) from 2015 by Ferran Camps Roqué about the new 2+1 in Catalonia.

Four stretches (in red) were under construction in 2015. The others (in green) were under study.
C-55 Castellbell-Manresa
C-58 Viladecavalls-Vacarisses
C-58 Vacarisses-Castellbell
C-16 Berga-Bagá




Metal crashbarriers are used in curved stretches, while New Jersey barriers are used in straights. Transitions between each stretch look like this:
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Old September 28th, 2017, 05:44 PM   #7578
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How are plans to extend AG-55 to Noia going on? When will it reach Cee?
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AG-55 will not reach Noia, since Noia is not on its route. There's a corredor (single-carriageway expressway) that links AG-56 with Noia that opened a few years ago.

As for AG-55, the stretch between Baio and Berdoias is U/C, but works are suspended due to financial difficulties. There are talks to extend it until Cee, but no serious plans for the moment (source).
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Old September 29th, 2017, 01:04 AM   #7580
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