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Old July 7th, 2008, 10:59 AM   #881
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Exactly, think about the millions of liters of fuel wasted because of this "sustainable" policy. Dutch traffic expert Ronald Waterman estimated the Dutch A4 gap of 7km alone caused already an extra fuel usage of 18.2 million liters per year.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 11:57 AM   #882
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Old July 7th, 2008, 12:46 PM   #883
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Paseo de la Castellana in Madrid:




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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:28 PM   #884
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Madrid, ringroads (Circunvalaciones in Spanish) (from flickr.com):




M30

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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:35 PM   #885
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As you can see, ringroads are more dense in southern Madrid because of population concentration (In the South of Madrid, you can find big cities as Móstoles-216,463 inh.-, Leganes -181,248 inh.-, Fuenlabrada -195,131-, Getafe -158,363-, Pinto-40,000-, Valdemoro -45,000-, Parla -125,00-,...

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_...tana_de_Madrid
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Old July 8th, 2008, 09:48 PM   #886
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Construction status of one of the parts of the project already under construction

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Old July 8th, 2008, 11:47 PM   #887
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Ring roads around Madrid:

M-30.
Length ---> 32.5 Km.
Mean distance to Puerta del Sol, the square traditionally considered to be the city centre 5 km.


M-40.
Length ---> 63.3 Km.
Mean distance to Puerta del Sol, the square traditionally considered to be the city centre 10 km.


M-45. (Partial ring road)
Length ---> 45 Km.


M-50.
Length ---> 85 Km.
Mean distance to Puerta del Sol, the square traditionally considered to be the city centre 13.5 km.

The M-30 is Madrid inner ring road, here are some pics.







































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Old July 9th, 2008, 12:00 AM   #888
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Madrid has actually seven bypasses/ringroads at the southern side of the city. Count the number of grade-separated roads with me:

M-30
M-40
M-45
M-406
M-50
M-506
M-405
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Old July 9th, 2008, 12:11 AM   #889
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Old July 11th, 2008, 05:22 AM   #890
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Chris,so all of those ringroads are pretty much freeways?
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Old July 11th, 2008, 09:35 AM   #891
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Chris,so all of those ringroads are pretty much freeways?
They aren't all fully ringroads, but bypasses. They feature at least 2x2 lanes, shoulders and grade separated/limited access.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 12:38 PM   #892
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Madrid has actually seven bypasses/ringroads at the southern side of the city. Count the number of grade-separated roads with me:

M-30
M-40
M-45
M-406
M-50
M-506
M-405
M-406, M-506 and M-405 are not freeways, are conventional roads. M-406 and M-506 have some of the characteristics of a highway (min of 2 lanes, service roads, etc...) but not all (some roundabouts and traffic lights) there are a lot of roads like those in Madrid (M-409 or north M-407), M-405 is a 1 lane road that goes throw some municipalities as street.

M-407 (from Griñón to M-50) is a freeway, (from M-50 to Leganés is a conventional road). M-410 have some parts of motorway, I'm not sure but I think that M-410 will be part of the future M-60.

And is planed that Madrid will have other ringroad outside Madrid. It'll be A-40 (Ávila-Toledo-A3[-Cuenca-¿Teruel?]), ?-?? (A3-Guadalajara-A1-Segovia), AP-61, AP-6, AP-51 (Segovia-Ávila).

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Old July 11th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #894
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Did they brought the Avenida de Portugal (A-5) underground? From the M-30 towards the southeast.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 02:35 PM   #895
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Did they brought the Avenida de Portugal (A-5) underground? From the M-30 towards the southeast.

Yes.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 02:38 PM   #896
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Then I saw it good on Google Earth. Nice urban park they made on top of it. Madrid really knows how to combine outstanding road infrastructure without destroying neighborhoods, like they did in the United States.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 02:46 PM   #897
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Then I saw it good on Google Earth. Nice urban park they made on top of it. Madrid really knows how to combine outstanding road infrastructure without destroying neighborhoods, like they did in the United States.
This is it:



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Did they brought the Avenida de Portugal (A-5) underground? From the M-30 towards the southeast.
Look this video, it starts in the underground A-5, join M-30, go through the "by-pass sur" (a shortcut in the south of the M-30) to the east, after that, the video shows the east zone of the M-30 (that isn't underground) and then joins the A-1 (you can see the 4 new Madrid's skyscrapers while is changing of motorway).

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=s1LzWK6vRm0
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Old July 11th, 2008, 04:13 PM   #899
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Coincidentally, I just saw that one yesterday. I really hope to shoot a video there myself one day.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 09:35 PM   #900
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Wooow nice pics
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