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Old July 12th, 2008, 02:23 AM   #901
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Wow,I thought i'd never say this but Madrid is a great city,great road infrastructure,great public transportation and great urban planning
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Old July 12th, 2008, 02:22 PM   #902
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How's the progress on the northern side? (Avenida de Illustración). Some project maps show a tunnel there, but it's not completed according to Google Earth.

GE recently updated it's imagery, and you can see the works on the west side is pretty much done. (how they did that so fast is beyond me).
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Old July 14th, 2008, 12:59 AM   #903
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Damn, Madrid has something like four beltways with plans for a fifth.
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Old July 14th, 2008, 04:57 PM   #904
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What are the typical rushhours in Spain? Is it just 7 - 9 and 16 - 18 or different?
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Old July 14th, 2008, 05:21 PM   #905
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7 - 9 and 17 - 19 rather than 16-18, cos people works til later (launch break is usually longer in Spain)
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Old July 14th, 2008, 05:27 PM   #906
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I think each road has it owns rush hours... the worst traffic jams are when holidays (and some weekends) are starting or finishing. It's hard to find a jam a Saturday but there is a lot of traffic all the day (and night). There are more jams when the month is starting (the payroll hehehe). Fridays evenings/nights are also a bit complicated (mixes holiday traffic, leaving the work and those who are going to dinner out/the cinema/whatever else).

About the daily jams, the morning jams are usually worse than the afternoon ones. I don't usually get up very early so I can't tell you when the jams start. I think that where I live, the worst in the morning is 7:00-8:00 and 8:20-9:00 but there are a lot of traffic since 7 to 11 or 12. At the afternoon there are a lot or traffic (but not usually "blocking" jams) each hour since 17 to 20. I think the worst hour is 17:00 but Fridays, that have the worst hour later.

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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:52 AM   #907
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I think those rush hours are pretty short...
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Old July 15th, 2008, 08:53 PM   #908
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Works on the A-67.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carabaza View Post
Obras A-67
Tramo: Puebla de San Vicente-Alar del Rey


Fesaiz & Carabaza
13 de Julio de 2.008



Fin de autovía (Puebla de San Vicente)












Obras Puebla de San Vicente-Alar del Rey




























Vistazo atrás (hacia Cantabria)








Viaducto sobre N-611


















Intenso tráfico en la N-611
















































Ya pasada la boca sur del túnel...






Alar del Rey




Fin del tramo (aproximadamente) Paso sobre las carreteras hacia Cervera, cuenca del Boedo, etc...





More here: http://urbanity.es/foro/showthread.php?t=7449&page=38



One of the least known autovías, the A-231. (Photo by Carabaza).

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Old July 15th, 2008, 08:58 PM   #909
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The A-231 is quite important, it connects Burgos with León. However, is/wasn't this the A-12?
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Old July 15th, 2008, 10:14 PM   #910
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It's difficult to understand if you're not a Spaniard


There is a national road, the N-120 that goes Logroño-Burgos-León-Ourense-Vigo. Then an autovía was built by the "central government" (the Spanish state itself, not the autonomous communities) from Ourense to Vigo, and it was called de A-52 and goes almost parallel to the N-120.

Then, the "Junta de Castilla y León" (autonomous goverment from Castile and León, you can see it in the picture, above the route marker) decided to built another autovía from Burgos to León and called it the A-231. It also runs almost parallel to the N-120.

The central government is constructing the A-12 from Viana (a Navarrese village near Logroño) to Burgos, because it runs through three different autonomous communities: Navarre, La Rioja and Castile&Leon.

The rest of the A-12, from Pamplona to Viana, was built and paid by the Navarrese government. It runs parallel to the N-111 instead of the N-120, but they called it A-12 because the A-12 was suppossed to be the "Autovía del Camino de Santiago" (Way of St. James).

To sum up:

-From Pamplona to Viana, it was paid by the Government of Navarre. It's called A-12.
-From Viana to Burgos, it was paid by the Central Government. It's called A-12 too.
-From Burgos to León, it was paid by the Government of Castile and Leon. It's called A-231.
-From Ourense to Vigo, it was paid by the Central Government. It's called A-52 because it's considered the continuation of the A-52 from Benavente to Ourense, formerly the road N-532.





It's a mess, I know, so I'll expand my explanation


a) There are five different governments in Spain, and each one can build a highway and call it how they want to:

1. The Central government. For example the A-3 is built and administrated by it.

2. The autonomous communities (or autonomous cities in the case of Ceuta and Melilla). Example: the C-32 in Catalonia, or the EX-A1 in Extremadura (as I said before, they can call the autovías however they want to).

3. The "Diputación", for every province. However they have few power. Example: The A-8 in the Basque Country is administrated by the Diputación Foral de Vizcaya/Bizkaiko Foru Aldundia and the Diputación Foral de Guipúzcoa/Gipuzkoako Foru Aldundia.

4. The "Cabildo" (in the Canary Islands) and "Consell Insular" (Balearic Islands) for every island. Examples: The GC-1 in Gran Canaria or the Ma-13 in Majorca.

5. The "Ayuntamiento" (City council) for every municipality. Example: The M-30 in Madrid.

b) All of the above have the authority to build a highway within its limits, but they can call it however they want to. That's why the names of the highways in Spain are a total mess.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 02:12 AM   #911
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There are some rules for the names of the roads. I.E. the first number should be 1 if it's between A-1 and A-2, 2 if it's between A-2 and A-3, etc... this don't apply when the road name starts by an autonomous/local prefix (M for Madrid, CM for Castilla-La Mancha, TO for Toledo, ...) and I don't know what they do if it goes throw more than one of those areas.

Usually odd numbers are for radial motorways/roads and par numbers for the others. X0 ones usually are used for ringroads.

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Old July 18th, 2008, 02:06 AM   #912
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Old July 18th, 2008, 09:24 AM   #913
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I believe that's one of the older Autopista's.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 03:56 PM   #914
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Indeed it's old. One of the oldest.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 04:00 PM   #915
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But it looks very nice I like the loads of plants in area
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Old July 18th, 2008, 06:08 PM   #916
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Some of the oldest autopistas are really good.
For example this AP-4, the AP-2, the AP-68.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 06:14 PM   #917
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I prefer the A-52
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Old July 18th, 2008, 06:19 PM   #918
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But the A52 is not old.

And although it's a very good autovia, it's not better than the AP-2 or AP-68. Not saying that it's worse either, but the geometry is certainly not as good (although it's good), due to the difficult terrain.
But that makes it much more impressive also!
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Old July 18th, 2008, 08:51 PM   #919
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How many kilometres of Autopista are in Spain ?
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Old July 18th, 2008, 09:28 PM   #920
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Autopista only? Or also Autovía. Combined it would be over 13.000 kilometers.
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