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Old July 18th, 2008, 10:02 PM   #921
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Hmm, I think only Autopista is exact motorway, Autovia is more likely expressway
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Old July 18th, 2008, 10:05 PM   #922
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No, that distinction has been gone. The only difference now is that an Autopista has fewer exits, is tolled and has better facilities (rest areas) along the route. Nearly all present-day Autovías are the same as motorways (autoroute, motorway, autosnelweg, autobahn etc) throughout the world.

There are still some old Autovía sections (especially the radiating autovías from Madrid), but they are under reconstruction. It's a multi billion euro project to rehabilitate these old autovía's.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #923
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^

In an Autopista, all access/exists are via service ways/lanes, in an Autovía they can be directly to the Autovía.

Also there are a lot of kilometers considered Autovía being really an Autopista, (in example the official's name of the A-40 is "Autovía de Castilla-La Mancha" and officialy is an Autopista, or some large zones of Autovías that are in fact Autopistas), here the people usually say "Autovía" when it's free and "Autopista" when it's a toll motorway (but it isn't the correct definition).

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Old July 18th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #924
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14,325 Km, as of March 2008.

First four countries by number of km: USA, China, Germany and Spain.

Autopistas are toll roads, whereas Autovías are toll free and managed by the central government or by the regional governments.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 10:32 PM   #925
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I doubt if Germany has over 14.325 km. A lot of these "Gelbe Autobahnen" are substandard, lacking shoulders and proper on and offramps. (they are grade-separated though).
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Old July 18th, 2008, 10:45 PM   #926
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I doubt if Germany has over 14.325 km. A lot of these "Gelbe Autobahnen" are substandard, lacking shoulders and proper on and offramps. (they are grade-separated though).
In 2007, Germany had approx. 600 km more than Spain, I dont know now. Maybe Spain is now the third country.
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Old July 19th, 2008, 01:15 AM   #927
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And Germany will build couple of more thousands
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Old July 19th, 2008, 05:38 AM   #928
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Autopistas are toll roads, whereas Autovías are toll free and managed by the central government or by the regional governments.
Not really but 90% true! There are some "autopistas" without toll in Spain...
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Old July 19th, 2008, 12:44 PM   #929
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And Germany will build couple of more thousands
Yes, but Spain has lots of plans too. I don't think Germany has as many projected new highways as Spain, where the rhythm is just incredible even between cities that don't seem to be that important!
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Old July 19th, 2008, 01:54 PM   #930
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They have... actually I couldn't believe they plan so much more to build... at the moment their network is perfect nearly

Here is the plan by the way

[IMG]http://i13.************/53ka7pg.png[/IMG]

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Old July 19th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #931
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopista
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autov%C3%ADa

In the Spanish wikipedia there are some interesting google maps links:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autov%C...er.C3.ADsticos

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Old July 19th, 2008, 06:09 PM   #932
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Some of that German roads will never be build, like the A5 Bremen - Gießen and a parallel A24. The German Autobahn construction has slowed way down since the completion of most motorways in eastern Germany. They should only add a few short missing links, and widen the most important transport axes.

However, I think most of the Spanish Autovia/Autopista network is also completed. I have the idea their construction pace has also slowed down since the elections.
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Old July 19th, 2008, 06:11 PM   #933
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But the A52 is not old.

And although it's a very good autovia, it's not better than the AP-2 or AP-68. Not saying that it's worse either, but the geometry is certainly not as good (although it's good), due to the difficult terrain.
But that makes it much more impressive also!
But A52 is close from home (12 km!)
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Old July 19th, 2008, 06:15 PM   #934
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In Spain all kind of inauguration/starting works usually are planned for be near the elections. The year after the elections usually is very quiet.

In my zone there are 3 new motorways planned and I live in a rural zone.

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Old July 19th, 2008, 10:38 PM   #935
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LOTS of pictures by Carabaza and Fesaiz. Taken from the urbanity.es forums.


A-231

The colour in the first sign is used for monuments or historical places. "Camino de Santiago" is the Way of St. James, a pilgrim route.

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Aqui están las fotos de las circunvalaciones de Burgos. Ruego a los expertos de nuestro foro en Burgos (sobretodo a Carretero) que nos avisen de las posibles incorrecciones en los comentarios...xD

Circunvalando Burgos


Fesaiz & Carabaza


13 de Julio de 2.008

Autovía desde Osorno...













Ya en el municipio de Burgos!




Look at the sign

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Esto ya es la BU-30






sobre el FF.CC. Madrid-Irún



I think that this sign has became famous in some highways forums.

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desde aquí sale la A-62 hacia Tierra de Campos...






Hacia el enlace con la A-1 hacia Madrid y con el centro de Burgos








Ahi lo tenemos...



AP-1 (a toll-free stretch).


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Pasado el enlace, intenso tráfico N-S en la AP-1










Se acerca nuestro desvío hacia la A-1 / BU-30!!



The toll station. You have to pay if you want to continue.

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Abandonamos justo antes del peaje...





Now the A-1 and BU-30.

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Ahora en la A-1 pendiente de los carteles para coger la BU-30...

Diversos carteles que ya indican la A-73... (deberían taparse, digo yo, o sustituirse por N-623 / N-627) De todas formas esta zona es un lío... no sé sabe muy bien si uno está en la A-1 ó en la S-30 asi que pido disculpas de antemano por los fallos...







Parece ser que por fin estamos en la BU-30...






El recién estrenado Aeropuerto de Villafría!




Supongo que estas sean las vías para Irún...




Enlace de las carreteras para Vitoria-Gasteiz, Villafría y su polígono y Burgos...








2 carriles, no por mucho tiempo... :S






Nos indica con 2 carriles (a punto de quedarse en uno) Santander y el otro para salir a Burgos ciudad y a localidades del entorno inmediato



There's only one tunnel, the second one is U/C.


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El famosísimo túnel!






Último tramo...




Rotonda de enlace con la N-627 / N-623




caravana dirección Burgos en la N-627...







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Old July 19th, 2008, 10:59 PM   #936
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Excellent showcase. If you understand the numbering system, it's not so bad, all road numbers seem to be signed continuous.
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Old July 20th, 2008, 06:08 AM   #937
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The signaling in ringroads usually sucks... They should simplify that, but you can't without lossing important information... In Madrid I usually get confused when I want to join a ringroad because (in example) if you join to M-50 in a point between A-5 and R-5, the signaling shows "A-5 Badajoz" for west and "R-5 Badajoz" for east, I must remember where are located a lot of cities regarding my position and sometimes where are the toll and the free motorway, everything to go to the next city.

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Old July 20th, 2008, 04:13 PM   #938
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omg, 10 roads and 3 destinations at direction sign only in Spain but excellent pics and roads!

btw, one more difference between autovia and autopista: exit numbers - at autovias there is "austrian" system (km where exit is), autopistas have "german" (ordinary numbers)
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Old July 20th, 2008, 11:11 PM   #939
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btw, one more difference between autovia and autopista: exit numbers - at autovias there is "austrian" system (km where exit is), autopistas have "german" (ordinary numbers)
I think that not always, in toll autopistas they use the german system because they haven't much exits, but I've seen free autopistas with the austrian system.

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Old July 20th, 2008, 11:22 PM   #940
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They are called sequential or mileage systems

However, I'm not sure if there is a "kilometer" alternative for "mileage". In German they can say "kilometrierung". Mileage still sounds better to me than "based on the nearest kilometer marker".
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