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Old July 20th, 2008, 11:30 PM   #941
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breathtaking photos, thank you
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Old July 20th, 2008, 11:45 PM   #942
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They are called sequential or mileage systems

However, I'm not sure if there is a "kilometer" alternative for "mileage". In German they can say "kilometrierung". Mileage still sounds better to me than "based on the nearest kilometer marker".
kilometrage we also have nice word for kilometrierung in croatian
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Old July 20th, 2008, 11:53 PM   #943
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kilometrage we also have nice word for kilometrierung in croatian
And "kilometraje" in Spanish.
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Old July 20th, 2008, 11:54 PM   #944
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yeah, it all have than french adding "age" in certain national shapes. we have kilometraža
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Old July 21st, 2008, 12:43 AM   #945
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I doubt if Germany has over 14.325 km. A lot of these "Gelbe Autobahnen" are substandard, lacking shoulders and proper on and offramps. (they are grade-separated though).
Well, the standard of the "Gelbe Autobahnen" I've driven (and they were older, not the B6n or similar), are at least par with more than a few of the autovias I've driven, some of which were not much more than a dualled 2-lane highway. And they're most certainly par with some of the stuff called "motorway" in Sweden (18.5-metre profile on certain parts of the E6) and Norway (20-metre profile). And in general, quite a few older stretches of officially dubbed motorway around the world are in a much worse state than the average 4-lane Bundesstrasse...
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Old August 4th, 2008, 02:42 PM   #946
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According to this wikipedia article, Spain now has indeed 14.325 kilometers of motorway. This is the third highest in the world, after the United States and China.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 11:54 AM   #947
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Well, the standard of the "Gelbe Autobahnen" I've driven (and they were older, not the B6n or similar), are at least par with more than a few of the autovias I've driven
So did I, here's B42 (bit dark) http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YTuOlx_xPCg
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According to this wikipedia article, Spain now has indeed 14.325 kilometers of motorway. This is the third highest in the world, after the United States and China.
Just out of curiousity, how many kms does Germany have?
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Old August 8th, 2008, 09:16 AM   #949
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12.044 kilometer, however, that only includes Autobahnen, and Gelbe Autobahnen are complementing that system, so they are about the same.
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Old August 9th, 2008, 07:43 PM   #950
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Diagram of the M-40, M-30 and approach roads to Madrid-Barajas airport, taken from the Mapa Oficial de Carreteras Interactivo 2008, the Spanish official map of roads.

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Link (5187×3688): http://xs130.xs.to/xs130/08326/esquemas409.png
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Old August 12th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #951
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Diagram of the M-40, M-30 and approach roads to Madrid-Barajas airport, taken from the Mapa Oficial de Carreteras Interactivo 2008, the Spanish official map of roads.

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http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z.../esquemas2.jpg

Example:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...00/ejemplo.jpg

Link (5187×3688): http://xs130.xs.to/xs130/08326/esquemas409.png
Nice!

Do you have some scans/images of the normal roadmaps of this official map?
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Old August 12th, 2008, 11:16 PM   #952
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Nice!

Do you have some scans/images of the normal roadmaps of this official map?
I only have the CD-Rom version.

Here you have some screenshots:

"Normal" maps:


Roads in the outskirts of the cities:


Cities:



Other interesting features:

Tourist info about monuments:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...on00/mapa5.jpg

Pictures of monuments:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...on00/mapa6.jpg

Tourist routes:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...on00/mapa4.jpg

And some others as cycling routes, climate statistics, mountain passes, tolls, service stations, national parks...
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Old August 15th, 2008, 11:13 AM   #953
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Does anyone know, when the A-62 between Ciudad Rodrigo and the portuguese boarder and the AP-1 between Vitoria and the AP-8 will be finished?
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Old August 15th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #954
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According to Google Earth, the A-62 is finished until 4km before the Portuguese border, however Spanish wikipedia states november 2008.

Wiki is less clear on the AP-1, however, there's the toll free alternative in the A-1 (said to be substandard). It runs from San Sebastian to Vitoria.
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Old August 15th, 2008, 12:42 PM   #955
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According to Google Earth, the A-62 is finished until 4km before the Portuguese border, however Spanish wikipedia states november 2008.

Wiki is less clear on the AP-1, however, there's the toll free alternative in the A-1 (said to be substandard). It runs from San Sebastian to Vitoria.
I read the contradictory information on Wikipedia and Google Earth, which confuse me a little. I was hoping that someone lives near this area.

It's the same issue with the AP-1. I have driven to Portugal several times using the A-1. I was just curious whether I can try to drive a different way when I drive there next spring.

But thanks a lot anyway

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How's that A-1? I might be driving across it next week. Weather in Switzerland doesn't look good, so I'm looking for an alternative.
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Old August 15th, 2008, 12:58 PM   #957
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The A-1 is definetly not as good as the AP-1 but I like landscape. The condition of the street is different. Some parts between San Sebastian and Altsasu are definetly substandard, but still okay. You have a couple of speed limits with 80 km/h and one sharp rise pretty close to Altsasu. This part was build in 2003 and if you drive around that area you will know what I mean.

The part closer to Vitoria is better and good to drive.

I might have some pictures of that area, although I am not 100% sure. I took a lot of pictures from Spain and Portugal when I drove back year. If I find them, I will upload them.

But anyway, your choice of driving around that area is definetly a good idea

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The A-1 is definetly not as good as the AP-1 but I like landscape. The condition of the street is different. Some parts between San Sebastian and Altsasu are definetly substandard, but still okay. You have a couple of speed limits with 80 km/h and one sharp rise pretty close to Altsasu. This part was build in 2003 and if you drive around that area you will know what I mean.
You're right And not only that, being near the border means the traffic is huge and there're lots of trucks everywhere, which is also quite dangerous on a road with so many curves. In fact it's pretty common to see trucks accidents and the motorway remains blocked for several hours. I agree about the landscape, it's gorgeous

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The part closer to Vitoria is better and good to drive.
Yes, once you arrive in Alsasua/Altsasu the road gets much better because it's not that mountainous.

Btw after a delay of more than a year, the AP-1 between Eibar and Vitoria is supposed to be finished at the end of this year, but I read it won't actually be open until next spring because they're having some important geological problems to build the Arlabán tunnel (3,3 km long).
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Old August 15th, 2008, 01:30 PM   #959
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Here are some pictures, that I took in 2006. As you can see the signage of the N-1/A-1 is not very consistent, but I am not sure if they have already changed that.

Junction between the AP-1/A-1 and the AP-68


N-1


















Junction between the N-1/A-1 and the A-8














Pretty close to the frontier


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Old August 15th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #960
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Don't trust on Google Earth/Maps when it comes to Spanish roads, because some may appear as finished when they're still under construction.

The AP-1 is only finished from the AP-8 to Arrasate-Mondragón if I remember rightly. The A-1 is not that bad, the worst part is the Etxegarate mountain pass has two sharp curves in the southbound carriageway (to Altsasu-Alsasua), because it's the old N-I.

Here you have it: http://maps.google.es/?ie=UTF8&ll=42...30899&t=h&z=16

A video by the forumer BPT:


Another video by BTP. This one is northbound. Notice the "frontier" between Navarre and the Basque Country at 0:57, the southbound carriageway meeting again at 1:51 and the same carriageway crossing over the northbound carriageway twice at 2:03 and 2:41.
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