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Old September 25th, 2008, 03:13 AM   #1001
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AC-543 is the old road. The picture one is new autovía AG-56
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Old September 25th, 2008, 02:04 PM   #1002
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AP-1 Highway U/C photos by a friend, i wonder why they don't have made a longer tunnel.



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Old September 25th, 2008, 05:59 PM   #1003
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Sad (although expected) news from the construction pace of motorways in Spain. The months after elections are the worst for motorway fans...

Motorway kilometers opened in 2008 in the National Network:
Jan: 55.3 km
Feb: 78.7 km
Mar: 33.8 km
Apr: 5 km
May: 0 km
Jun: 0 km
Jul: 9.9 km
Aug: 10.3 km

A66 is by far the Autovía with the best pace (64.4 new km)

We should add Regional and Local km to get the global figure though.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 06:49 PM   #1004
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AP-1 Highway U/C photos by a friend, i wonder why they don't have made a longer tunnel.
Maybe it's somehow supposed to prevent landslides? I'm not really an engineering expert, but it's hard to tell without having seen the geological composition of the hill before it's being blown away.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 09:47 PM   #1005
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Old September 27th, 2008, 09:49 PM   #1006
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Mallorca's Ma-19 -> Ma -20 and Ma-13 on a saturday afernoon with little traffic



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Old September 27th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #1007
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I had the same problem a while ago. But often they just accept their songs are used, and they just notify you.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 12:13 AM   #1008
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Nearly nothing. Autopistas have more service areas and less exits and are tolled. I think the toll thing is the biggest difference. Older Autovias are more substandard though, but they are being upgraded.
Once more... Not all Autopistas are tolled.

The difference is that in Autovías the junctions may be directly to the way and in Autopistas are with service ways.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 04:15 AM   #1009
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Spain has an awesome motorway network.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 12:50 PM   #1010
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Once more... Not all Autopistas are tolled.

The difference is that in Autovías the junctions may be directly to the way and in Autopistas are with service ways.
In Mallorca we have both autopistas and autovias (none is tolled) and you can't really tell the difference. It's a bit weird.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 01:32 PM   #1011
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The difference is that in Autovías the junctions may be directly to the way and in Autopistas are with service ways.
and my friend from Spain old me that at AP there are not (so many) speed controls (at least it worths for A2-AP2 difference)
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Old September 28th, 2008, 01:35 PM   #1012
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In Mallorca we have both autopistas and autovias (none is tolled) and you can't really tell the difference. It's a bit weird.
I've seen motorways like A-40 whose official name is "Autovía de Castilla-La Mancha" but when you join it, you see the Autopista's sign instead of the Autovía's one.

I think that a lot of politicians don't know the difference... or call them Autovías for people to don't think that are toll motorways.

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Old September 28th, 2008, 01:58 PM   #1013
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and my friend from Spain old me that at AP there are not (so many) speed controls (at least it worths for A2-AP2 difference)
AP means "Autopista de Peaje" (tolled motorway), the free Autopistas don't use the "AP" prefix. The motorways prefixed by R- also are toll motorways.

Here people usually use the free alternative so toll motorways are really nice but unused motorways. I have done 50km by one toll motorway without see any other car.

This is why there aren't (usually) radars on AP- or R- motorways (only a few cars, the motorway is secure and there aren't too much accidents) but not always... for example in AP-7 there is a lot of traffic and there are radars

The Spanish fixed radars map: http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/...perro/Mapa.htm
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 11:29 AM   #1014
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Great link. Thank you. Might be pretty helpful for my next trip to Portugal
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Old October 8th, 2008, 01:43 PM   #1015
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c´mon guys, keep this thread updated!

let the pics take it over!
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Old October 8th, 2008, 08:45 PM   #1016
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Some updates

S-30 (Santander). More pictures here
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Cambiamos de punto de vista...


Estado de las obras de los tramos Peñacastillo-Cacicedo y Cacicedo-Parbayón
Autovía Ronda Bahía de Santander (S-30)


Alsajano & Carabaza

Viernes, 26 de Septiembre de 2.008


Imágenes desde el puente de la CA-310 sobre la A-67






A-67 con el norte de Piélagos de fondo...




Enlace S-30 A-67 con imágenes tomadas desde el propio enlace.


































Mirando hacia el norte,




Nuevo puente de la N-611 sobre la S-30




A-60 Valladolid-León, first works near Villanubla Airport in Valladolid.

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Unas fotucas de las obras del tramo Valladolid-Villanubla de la A-60 (perdonad por la calidad)

A la salida de Zaratán, se ve poco avance





Ya arriba, se ve mayor movimiento, con zonas ya excavadas en trinchera







Primeras estructuras. Estas se corresponden con el enlace para el Aeropuerto





También se ven contruidos bastantes drenajes



Paso elevado del al carretera de la cárcel



Otra servidumbre



Y poco más



Enlace del final del tramo

AG-53 in Galicia.

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OBRAS AG-53 entre Ourense y O Carballiño.

Otra actualización más de las obras de dos de los viaductos del último tramo de la AG-53. Sigue sorprendiendo el tamaño del viaducto que salva el valle del río Barbantiño: impresionante en longitud y en altura.

Pocas veces he visto un viaducto tan tan alto, y eso que en las fotos no se aprecia bien debido a la vegetación que estorba para hacerlas e impide ver tanto su altura como su longitud total:













No soy el único que ha descubierto ese mirador para hacer fotos


Al fondo, se ven los viaductos en obras y/o terminados del tramo de TAV entre Ourense y Santiago, así como uno de los viaductos de la misma línea convencional:





Estas dos últimas fotos se corresponden ya al viaducto de enlace con la A-52 sobre el Miño: las obran avanzan a buen ritmo. Al propio enlace ya le están colocando los "pequeños" viaductos sobre la propia A-52 para realizar el nudo.

Que por cierto, esta tarde me encontré con una de las víctimas de los actualizados ( mal ) mapas de Google Maps y Teleatlas. Una chica de Madrid había cogido la carretera dirección Cortegada (desde donde están hechas estas dos últimas fotos) siguiendo las indicaciones de su GPS que la mandaban a Santiago de Compostela por allí... tuve que indicarle como salir de allí e ir dirección Carballiño para enlazar allí con la AG-53. Evidentemente, cuando esté terminado si tiene que coger esa salida para ir hacia Santiago, pero de momento la chica casi acaba en Cortegada.

Y hablando de Carballiño, impresionante viajar ahora por la ATASCADA N-541 y ver continuamente las obras de:

1.AG-53
2.Autovía de acceso a O Carballiño
3.TAV
4.Reforma de la N-541

Cada 500 metros hay algún tipo de obra en la vía; salida de camiones; enlaces; cortes; movimiento de obreros...



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Old October 17th, 2008, 11:04 PM   #1017
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Amazing......... !!

I have been several times in Madrid ( Im from Saltillo Mexico ) but never paid attention on the M30........ Im amazed ! it is great......

We are years behind that technology in Latin America.....

wow !

congrats Madrid !!
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Old October 18th, 2008, 02:18 PM   #1018
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When M50 will be finished ?
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Old October 26th, 2008, 06:58 PM   #1019
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Autopistas versus autovías, signing, etc.

After reading half of this thread (from page 21 to the most recent posts), I'd like to stick my oar in on a few issues.

On the question of what differentiates an autovía from an autopista, an authoritative source is Norma 3.1-IC, the Ministerio de Fomento's official standard for geometric design (the link goes to the version as gazetted in the Boletín Oficial del Estado, but there are loads of HTML conversions on the Web). In its glossary, it defines an autopista as a road intended for the exclusive use of motor vehicles which has the following obligatory characteristics:

* No access from abutting properties

* No crossings on the level

* Separate carriageways for each direction of traffic, the separation being effected by a median (or by other means in exceptional cases)

In contrast, an autovía is a road which does not meet all the requirements of an autopista but nevertheless has

* Separate carriageways for each direction of traffic

* Limitation of access from abutting properties

* No crossings on the level

In practice, the main difference (as has already been noted) is that some autovías allow pedestrians, bicycles, and very slow motor vehicles (mopeds etc.) which are not allowed on autopistas. However, it seems to be increasingly common to build autovías which are "hidden autopistas" in the limited sense that classes of traffic which would otherwise be allowed on an autovía, but not an autopista, are nevertheless prohibited by signs on those specific autovías. The typical signing treatment is a large white-background sign with prohibitory roundels for pedestrians, bicycles, tractors, and horse-drawn vehicles under "EN AUTOVIA."

On another note, I am not sure that the phrase "Carreteras de gran capacidad" (used by Spanish statisticians) is necessarily limited to autopistas and autovías. There is a further classification of high-type road, vías rápidas, which can be built almost to autovía standards. Vías rápidas still have their own separate signing scheme and indeed had their own background color (green) for a brief period of time in the mid-1990's.

Norma 3.1-IC specifies separate design classes based on road type (autopista, autovía, vía rápida, and carretera convencional) and on design speed (chosen in 20 km/h increments, ranging from 120 km/h down to 40 km/h), but in practice autopistas, autovías, and vías rápidas are grouped together for purposes of specifying cross-sectional widths and the properties of horizontal and vertical curves, including superelevation and transitions.

Direction signing is nowadays controlled by Norma 8.1-IC, which deals with vertical signing in general (the link goes to the BOE version, but again there are numerous HTML conversions on the Web--though the BOE PDF is of very high quality and includes full-color, pattern-accurate illustrations of the signs). Norma 8.1-IC supersedes the traffic signing catalogue of 1992, which in turn replaced an earlier version dated 1986.

Road classes are distinguished according to color and typeface. Under current standards there is no distinction whatsoever between autopistas and autovías, which get blue background and mixed-case Autopista typeface (very similar but not identical to FHWA Series E Modified). Vías rápidas were given green background between 1992 and 2001, and now have just mixed-case Autopista against white background. Carreteras convencionales get Carretera Convencional (sometimes called CCRIGE) against a white background.

In 1986, however, the standards were completely different. Autopistas got blue background, while autovías got white background, and the typeface used for both was straight Series E Modified (not Autopista). An old autovía sign therefore looks very much like a modern vía rápida sign. Carreteras convencionales were then still using white background with the old French L series lettering (L1, old L2 which had thinner letters than modern L1, and L3, which was a vaguely Roman-looking serif typeface).

In some of the pictures posted upthread, it is still possible to see older signs in vía rápida green. I also think the old A-4 signs upthread may predate 1992, when the background color for autovías was still white.

Although much of the Spanish high-capacity road network is essentially brand-new (with more than half of it having been built after 1990, according to the statistical tables posted upthread), motorway plans in Spain are very old. Indeed the AGA in Alcalá de Henares has copies of at least ten proyectos de construcción, prepared in the mid- to late 1920's, for various autopistas and autovías, including routes from Madrid to Valencia, Gijón to Oviedo, etc. I have been through some of these and haven't seen any systematic distinctions between autopista and autovía proposals which are not eclipsed by the sometimes huge difference in standards between separate schemes. There isn't really anything new about the confusion between autopistas and autovías.

While the pictures of Spanish motorways under construction in this thread are truly fantastic, there is now a new source of information. The Ministerio de Fomento now posts the proyectos de construcción for them, on two separate pages--one for the Dirección General de Carreteras and another for the Sociedad Estatal de las Infraestructuras del Transporte Terrestre (SEITT). SEITT is a recently created state-owned entity which handles very large motorway and high-speed rail line construction projects. (I am not sure what criteria are applied in deciding which projects are managed by the DGC and which by the SEITT. Indeed, SEITT is doing one length of the A-23 Autovía de Mudéjar in Huesca province, while the DGC has advertised the next section to the north.)

The files are rather large because Spanish practice is to include the design justifications (memorias and anejos) along with the plans (planos) and supplementary special provisions (pliego de prescripciones técnicas particulares) in a proyecto. (In the US, for example, you would expect to see just the plans and special provisions.) This practice dates from 1860 at least, and probably is even older. On the SEITT page, the five proyectos available for download add up to 14.5 GB.

Proyectos started being put online in mid-July and some older projects have been scanned and put online as well, to bring the starting date for online availability back to 17 June. Most of the projects on the DGC page are relatively small, and include two major signing contracts (one in Valencia, Castellón, and Alicante provinces and another on the AP-7 behind Barcelona) and a large number of contracts to build or lengthen speed-change lanes. The latter will address many of the "ramps too short" complaints made upthread.
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If your nickname is also your real name, I suppose you're not a Spaniard, but after reading your post I have to admit that your knowledge of the Spanish language is really good

Actually the explanation is perfect. But I have to make some clarifications. The term "Autovía" was created in the 80's when the Spanish goverment decided to "duplicate" the radial national roads to differentiate them from the existing autopistas. As they had no money to build brand-new highways, they just made a parallel carriageway for the most of the traject. They had these 3 conditions:

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* Separate carriageways for each direction of traffic

* Limitation of access from abutting properties

* No crossings on the level
Those autovías de primera generación are now being rebuilt.

But, after the 90s, thanks to the money received by the EU funds, better highways could be built. Now the autovías are built with the same standarts as autopistas.

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In practice, the main difference (as has already been noted) is that some autovías allow pedestrians, bicycles, and very slow motor vehicles (mopeds etc.) which are not allowed on autopistas.
I don't know about pedestrians, but bycicles and mopeds <49 c.c. are allowed to use autovías. However, it's very hard to see them. I would consider a suicide to ride a bike on a highway where everybody is driving at 120 km/h


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However, it seems to be increasingly common to build autovías which are "hidden autopistas" in the limited sense that classes of traffic which would otherwise be allowed on an autovía, but not an autopista, are nevertheless prohibited by signs on those specific autovías. The typical signing treatment is a large white-background sign with prohibitory roundels for pedestrians, bicycles, tractors, and horse-drawn vehicles under "EN AUTOVIA."
You can find those sings in the A-92. In most of new autovías, there's an alternative way for those vehicles.

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I also think the old A-4 signs upthread may predate 1992, when the background color for autovías was still white.
You're right. The A-4 was built for the Sevilla Expo'92.


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SEITT is a recently created state-owned entity which handles very large motorway and high-speed rail line construction projects. (I am not sure what criteria are applied in deciding which projects are managed by the DGC and which by the SEITT. Indeed, SEITT is doing one length of the A-23 Autovía de Mudéjar in Huesca province, while the DGC has advertised the next section to the north.)
The SEITT is a sort of trap created by the Spanish government. That's because the European Union sets a debt limit for the member states, so these kind of societies can get into debt and "relieve" the national debt.
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