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Old February 3rd, 2009, 01:27 PM   #1161
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When M50 possibly will be finished ? Isn't M40 too jammed in northern part of Madrid ?
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 01:45 PM   #1162
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I am afraid authorities have become tougher with speed limits in the last years. You would be fined with €380 at 200kph, and a Spaniard would lose his license if his is caught twice at that speed (it would take away 6 points, and we start with 12 points).
How often does the points tally reset to 12?
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 01:56 PM   #1163
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When M50 possibly will be finished ? Isn't M40 too jammed in northern part of Madrid ?
In 2006 they promised to finish it in 2009 but now the schedule is 2012. Project has already been presented but some NYMBYs have started to make noise in the last months.

That stretch of M40 wasn't too busy in the past but nowadays it's getting more and more jammed because the northern side of the city have experienced a big growth in the last times (4 skyscrapers and +10 to come, lots of headquarters in the outskirts, new neighbourhoods for +200,000 inhabitants...)

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How often does the points tally reset to 12?
I think if you don't do a serious infraction in 3 years it resets but you can collect some points going to courses and so. Maximum is 12 always though.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 04:06 PM   #1164
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The longest straight motorway stretch I have driven in Spain was 13km in A4 south of Madrid. No idea if there are longer ones. In general Castilla-La Mancha is full of straight stretches.

I am afraid authorities have become tougher with speed limits in the last years. You would be fined with €380 at 200kph, and a Spaniard would lose his license if his is caught twice at that speed (it would take away 6 points, and we start with 12 points).

OK, then I guess I was lucky. But does that table really say that you don't have to pay a fine at all if you drive at 132 on a 120 road?
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 04:22 PM   #1165
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But does that table really say that you don't have to pay a fine at all if you drive at 132 on a 120 road?
Right. That's why most of the people drive at 130

The reason is that no device can measure the speed without error, so they allow a +10% before they fine you.

They wanted to somehow change this in the future law though.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 04:23 PM   #1166
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It's only 6 km/h or 5% at 120 km/h in NL.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 04:32 PM   #1167
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Right. That's why most of the people drive at 130

The reason is that no device can measure the speed without error, so they allow a +10% before they fine you.

They wanted to somehow change this in the future law though.
130? On the AP-7 between Barcelona and Valencia 160 seems to be the speed limit. But that's good to know if you ever get in trouble with the law. In 1997 my mother got caught doing 142 on the AP-7 at Peñiscola (weird and distasteful name, btw ) and had to pay a fine of 20,000 pesetas.

Swedish cops have an ambiguous approach. Some let you go 5 kmh over the limit, other 10. 10 percent is decent IMO.
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Old February 6th, 2009, 08:54 PM   #1168
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Extreme, TomTom currently reports an 180 kilometer traffic jam on the A3 from Valencia to Madrid due to snow.

They also report traffic jams with delays op to 3 hours on regional roads, and a 75 kilometer traffic jam on AP-2 between Lleida and Zaragoza.

They also report snow on the AP-4 between Cadiz and Sevilla, can that be right?
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Old February 6th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #1169
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Hmmm I was just reading the internet version of El País, and they're indeed speaking of snow and rain in lower elevations. Andalucía got 90 litres in 12 hours, which is just massive.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 02:38 AM   #1170
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How can you see the TomTom GPS map in that area???
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Old February 7th, 2009, 03:36 AM   #1171
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90 liters in 12 hours? I thought rainfall intensity was measured in mm/hr . . .
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Old February 7th, 2009, 11:05 AM   #1172
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90 liters in 12 hours? I thought rainfall intensity was measured in mm/hr . . .
They both measure it in mm/hr and liters/sq meter
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Old February 7th, 2009, 12:16 PM   #1173
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90 litres in 12 hours? That's almost like the rain Queensland and the Northern territory [in Australia] get during the monsoon months.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 12:19 PM   #1174
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Yeah, it's also 1/9th of the total Dutch accumulation.

El País really says it:

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En Andalucía las lluvias podrán acumular hasta 32 litros por metro cuadrado en una hora o 90 litros por metro cuadrado en 12 horas
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Old February 7th, 2009, 04:29 PM   #1175
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They both measure it in mm/hr and liters/sq meter
I think litre/sq meter equals mm. So it would be 90mm in 12 hours.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 05:06 PM   #1176
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That's correct. But let's not turn this thread into a Spanish weather topic
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Old February 7th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #1177
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thats quite cheap fine...

in hungary you have to pay 1000 euro...
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Old February 7th, 2009, 05:20 PM   #1178
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4 km/h too fast in NL on motorways and you already have to pay € 16.

The fine starts at 132 km/h in Spain, doing 131 in NL will cost you € 45.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 05:50 PM   #1179
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Hmmm I was just reading the internet version of El País, and they're indeed speaking of snow and rain in lower elevations. Andalucía got 90 litres in 12 hours, which is just massive.
I don't want to pull this tread out of topic but in spain it is not uncommon with heavy raining, every year there are places that get between 150-200 liters in 12 hours, occasionally 250 liters. It is also not uncommon with extreme showers of 50-60 liters in only one hour. A few years ago north of Valencia it rained 110 liters in just two hour.

Now back to topic...
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Old February 7th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #1180
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Heavy rains are quite common, even more this winter. Some weeks ago it rained 300 liters per sq meter in less than 2 days, in the mountains of north Mallorca, several roads are still closed due to terrain damage. Right now is snowing in the area by the way.

And yes, everyone drives at 130Km/h when possible
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