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Old July 20th, 2009, 08:30 PM   #1361
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Or may be if you see there are so many cars on the free highway, just take the not free one, because years ago a huge radial highway system was built around Madrid to avoid those kind of problems (not free of course) but they are there.
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Old July 21st, 2009, 02:40 PM   #1362
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Is new autopista near Malaga AP-45 finished ? What about the other road there, is it extension of A-7 ?
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Old July 21st, 2009, 02:57 PM   #1363
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According to the Spanish forum, neither the new Malaga bypass (Hiperronda de Málaga) or the new AP-46 tollway will be finished on time. That was supposed to be January 1st 2010.
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Old July 25th, 2009, 01:23 AM   #1364
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I dug into the Spanish road numbering system. It's quite complex.

The most important thing is to separate the "layers". Generally speaking here are national, comunidad, and provincial roads

Prefixes:

National:
A, AP, N, E

Comunidad:
A, A, AG, AS, ARA, C, CA, CL, CM, CV, EX, LR, M, NA, RM,

Provinces:
A, A, A, AC, AI, AL, B, BA, BI, BU, CA, CC, CO, CR, CS, CT, CU, EL, GI, GI, GJ, GR, H, HU, L, LE, LU, LZ, Ma, MA, Me, ME, O, OU, P, PA, PM, PO, S, SA, SC, SE, SG, SO, TF, TO, V, VA, VG, Z, ZG

these are all possible prefixes. They can be added with a "c" comarcal (district), or "v" vecinal (local), like BU-V-1234 or TO-V-1234
There are also some suffixes like "z" or "var" or "ant", which would make a possibility of the roadnumber: "BI-V-1234var"

Notice some of them are similar, A can be used for Autovía, Andalucía, Alicante, Ávila, Aragón and Alava.

The first layer are the national roads, these are the Autovías, Autopistas and Carretera Nacionales. Then, the communidad (or alike) is the second layer, like CM or CL (Castilla la Mancha and Castilla y León). Third are the provincial road numbers, such as B (Barcelona) or BA (Badajoz).
I'm not sure of the status from various areas within Cantabria and Región de Murcia, for instance, CT is Cartagena, a municipality within the Región de Murcia. So it seems like some municipalities can also have their own road numbering, similar to GI for Gipuzkoa and Gijón.
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Old July 25th, 2009, 03:38 PM   #1365
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I'm not sure of the status from various areas within Cantabria and Región de Murcia, for instance, CT is Cartagena, a municipality within the Región de Murcia. So it seems like some municipalities can also have their own road numbering, similar to GI for Gipuzkoa and Gijón.
Those are called "autopistas y autovías en entorno urbano", which are mainly approach or ring roads. They're all part of the national roads network ("Red de carreteras del Estado"), except the M-30 that is the oldest one and belongs to the Madrid municipality.

The codes used for car license plates are also used for these roads with some exceptions. There are some important cities that didn't have their own province code, for example:

GJ for Gijón (GI would be used for Girona), AI for Avilés, VG for Vigo, SC for Santiago de Compostela, EL for Elche, CT for Cartagena...

In Pamplona they use PA instead of NA (for Navarre, the only license plate code derived from the name of the region instead from the capital city)


http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopis...entorno_urbano

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et voilá, PT-10:

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What a mess
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Old July 25th, 2009, 04:44 PM   #1366
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Oh man that's just complex... seems like Portugal is also following same route
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Old July 25th, 2009, 04:46 PM   #1367
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Nah, Portugal should just drop the IC and IP numbers, and they'll be okay with the A, EN and ER routes. (Auto-estrada, Estrada Nacional & Estrada Regional)
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Old July 25th, 2009, 04:48 PM   #1368
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What this IC, IP are ? Own kind of E-numbers ?
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Old July 25th, 2009, 05:05 PM   #1369
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Basically, yes. I think they were useful before the 1990's before most Auto-estradas were build, but they become obsolete now.
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Old July 27th, 2009, 11:51 AM   #1370
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Some more:

A23 (Autovía Mudéjar)

Viaducto de Albentosa (Castellón)

Hello everybody!

Only one correction: Albentosa and this bridge are not in Castellón, they are located in Teruel

More info about this village in http://www.albentosa.com
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Old July 27th, 2009, 03:29 PM   #1371
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SE-40 + A-92 and SE-40 + A-4:

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dos de los enlaces proyectados para la SE40, en construcción:

con la A92



con la A4



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Old July 27th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #1372
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Those 3-lane roundabouts at the interchange are quite useless IMHO.
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The Spanish love multilane roundabouts. The two roundabouts on the left side of the interchange seems pretty useless by the way, because they connect to no other road...
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Road fantasy at its best At least some countries can afford it !
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Old July 28th, 2009, 03:32 PM   #1375
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The Spanish love multilane roundabouts. The two roundabouts on the left side of the interchange seems pretty useless by the way, because they connect to no other road...
If you look closely, they do - they both have two slip roads and a local access road. One of the slip roads on each of these roundabouts enters the roundabout right next to the local road and goes parallel to it for a bit.

The roundabout is needed (though a small part of it won't be used 99.9% of the time - from the exit to the local road to the entrance from the local road), though it is a bit overkill to be three lanes. If it wasn't there, then there'd be no access to/from the southbound carriageway from/to the local road. This access is provided by a near u-turn at the roundabout.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 06:35 PM   #1376
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What this IC, IP are ? Own kind of E-numbers ?
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Nearly all the ip's have beeb replaced by motorways.
IC's are still important,
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Old July 31st, 2009, 11:50 AM   #1377
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Eight Dutch tourists killed in Spain bus accident
Submitted by Mohit Joshi on Fri, 07/31/2009 - 05:26.

Amsterdam - Eight Dutch tourists were killed in a traffic accident in Spain, Dutch tour operator Sundio Group and the emergency organization SOS International confirmed Friday.

The eight were among 65 passengers, mostly Dutch nationals, travelling from Barcelona to Lloret de Mar Thursday night. Their bus skidded, veered off the road and turned over.

Forty-two passengers sustained injuries, some of them were serious. They were transferred to hospitals in the area. (dpa)

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Those who were injured didn't wore seatbelts... which is required in Spain (and other countries too). Kinda like their own fault, as far as I heard it here on the radio. It's still a tragedy though.
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Yeah, one of the passengers said that the bus was speeding and therefore couldn't make a turn.
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Those who were injured didn't wore seatbelts... which is required in Spain (and other countries too). Kinda like their own fault, as far as I heard it here on the radio. It's still a tragedy though.
I have never seen a bus or a coach equipped with seatbelts.
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