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Old August 2nd, 2009, 09:45 PM   #1401
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I'm not sure if this figure also includes regular 4 lane roads... "vías de alta capacidad" (roads of high capacity)

It ought to be around 15.000 kilometers now, which should mean there's not so much discussion anymore if the Spanish system is equal or larger than France/Germany's system. The Spanish system is clearly larger, and also growing (much) faster, so it's the 3rd largest in the world.
Who's first and second?
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 09:58 PM   #1402
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The United States is first at nearly 100.000 kilometers of freeway-grade roads. Second is China.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 01:36 AM   #1403
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What about the autovía A-50 between Avila and Salamanca? Is it already finished?
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 02:00 AM   #1404
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Yes, it's totally opened since the last month.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 09:49 AM   #1405
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In Spain nowadays we need more highways, especially in comunities like Aragon, Castilla la Mancha......Aragon need a new A-68 for N-232 (really sucks....) and a highway between Zaragoza-Castellón (also to update N-232)
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 10:19 AM   #1406
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Ok, but how many kilomiter are you going to have until 2020?
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 01:19 PM   #1407
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Probably like 3k motorways and over 12k of expressways
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 02:07 PM   #1408
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I'm not sure if this figure also includes regular 4 lane roads... "vías de alta capacidad" (roads of high capacity)

It ought to be around 15.000 kilometers now, which should mean there's not so much discussion anymore if the Spanish system is equal or larger than France/Germany's system. The Spanish system is clearly larger, and also growing (much) faster, so it's the 3rd largest in the world.
That figure seems to include "carreteras de doble calzada", which are considered high capacity roads in the Spanish system but lack some motorway features. Their number nowadays is around 1,500 km (getting lower every year since they are being upgraded into motorways), so Spain must have around 13,500 km of motorways.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 02:12 PM   #1409
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Ok, but how many kilomiter are you going to have until 2020?
Something in the 15,000-17,000 range.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 02:52 PM   #1410
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Winter has been boring in terms of motorway openings, but spring and summer have brought us several new open streches:

A-15
Los Rábanos-Soria (7.9km)

A-22
Ponzano-El Pueyo (10.7km)

A-43
Villarobledo-San Clemente (25km)

A-44
Izbor-Velez de Benaudalla (10km) MOTORWAY COMPLETED

A-50
Encinas de Abajo-Salamanca (15.3km)
Ventosa-Encinas de Abajo (5.3km) MOTORWAY COMPLETED

A-66
Montejo-Guijuelo (13.1km)
Río Duero-Zamora Sur (11.7km)

A-67
Santillana de Campos-Alar de Rey (38.6km) MOTORWAY COMPLETED

LU-11
Nadela-Tolda (4.5km)

S-30
Peñacastillo-Cacicedo (4.1km)

So that makes 146.2km so far in 2009.
NOTE: This figure is only for state-owned motorways. Regional and local governments do build and own infraestructures too, but it's almost impossible to get the updated figure.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 09:19 PM   #1411
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Could you post a photos of such a motorway built by local authorities?
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 09:26 PM   #1412
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http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:A...de_Espa%C3%B1a

Here's a whole list.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 01:30 AM   #1413
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Could you post a photos of such a motorway built by local authorities?
There are just like the ones built by the central government.
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Old August 4th, 2009, 06:26 PM   #1414
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Could you post a photos of such a motorway built by local authorities?
Those pics are on this forum.
Motorways are only built by the central goverment (the plan 2005-2020) or by the goverments of the autonomous comunities (like states) so 15.000 km of highways have been planned by CENTRAL goverment, the other 19 autonomous territories build their own highway system which change every day, so it's not possible to know how many kilometres will be in Spain in 2020 (it's possible that the president of Andalucía build 2000 new kilometres of no planed highways...)
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Old August 4th, 2009, 06:26 PM   #1415
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Winter has been boring in terms of motorway openings, but spring and summer have brought us several new open streches:

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Don't forget the A-7!


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Actually that's the list of the urban highways, some of them are owned by the central government.

This is the list for the ones built by the regional authorities:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:A...ton.C3.B3micas

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There are just like the ones built by the central government.
Exactly. The geometrical parametres, lane width etc. are the same for all Spain and for tolled or untolled highways, no matter who is paying the autovía/autopista. Maybe the only difference, is that the median is 10m wide in most of the State-owned highways (so that it can be easyly widened to 3+3), while in some regional highways it's narrower.

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Could you post a photos of such a motorway built by local authorities?
Some of them have been posted in this thread already, but here you have a sample. You can see the "Red de Carreteras del Principado de Asturias", instead of "Red de Carreteras del Estado" (used for State-owned highways and roads).

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Old August 9th, 2009, 07:27 PM   #1416
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I have just learned (really late--this happened in April 2009) that José Blanco has replaced Magdalena Álvarez as the minister in charge of Fomento. Does anyone know why this was done? What does this mean for Fomento's construction program and priorities?
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I have just learned (really late--this happened in April 2009) that José Blanco has replaced Magdalena Álvarez as the minister in charge of Fomento. Does anyone know why this was done? What does this mean for Fomento's construction program and priorities?
-Because political issues (so..no idea)
-And It means nothing
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As for Fomento's construction program and priorities, there will be almost no change, but it's also true that José Blanco is more diplomatic, especially when it comes to signing agreements with the Autonomous Communities not governed by the socialist party. For instance, in Madrid, they signed the last stretch of the M-50 and a new plan for the Cercanías network.

http://www.abc.es/20090416/madrid-ma...-20090416.html

Another example, this one in La Rioja:
http://www.larioja.org/npRioja/defau...5&IdDoc=497101
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Old August 10th, 2009, 11:53 PM   #1419
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Yesterday I used the Cartagena-Almeria motorway (AP-7). I found confusing having some parts of this route called A-7, some AP-7, and some where two parallel motorways have the same number.

Anyway, this strech of AP-7 was empty, I saw a vehicle in the opposite direction only every 5 minutes or so. The toll was 12,35 €, quite expensive...

I saw also the first "long" tunnels (1,8 and 1,2 km) from the french-italian border (Monginevro/Montgenèvre Pass) until Cartagena, where I counted only 3 tunnels, none of them more than 500 m in length.
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Old August 10th, 2009, 11:59 PM   #1420
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I never understood why they have toll roads in Spain while they are building decent toll free motorways right next to it (especially the case with A-7/AP-7, but also with others, such as A-2/AP-2 and AP-68 and A-68)
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