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Old August 31st, 2009, 10:31 AM   #1441
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There is no free alternative to the tolled AP-7 on many parts. Cross the border using the French A-9 and Spanish AP-7 at the Perthus pass. Don't use the national road of the Perthus, even if your GPS (if you have one) says that there are queues on the A9/AP7. A month ago I have done Perthus' old road and it was totally jammed, 3 hours for 20 km or so. The road along the coast is beatiful but very slow and narrow with hundreds of curves.
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Old August 31st, 2009, 08:09 PM   #1442
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Thanks for the replies so far and yes it is a big detour as for crossing the border we intend in staying in Andorra overnight then maybe driving straight through to Granada which is why I am asking about the route. It's the A2 verses the A7 ( gotta love google maps ).

See my wife wants to go over to Morocco for a day or two and as she has spent a few months in Spain many years ago it won't matter if we drive past the big cities .. so she says.

The pics posted in this thread are excellent and i'm even more looking forward to driving on European roads again as a result.

Thanks again
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Old August 31st, 2009, 08:21 PM   #1443
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what is the situation at A4 at Despeñaperros area? is new section built or still u/c? i see at Google Earth it is allready drawn in.
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Old August 31st, 2009, 08:52 PM   #1444
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It is under construction. Some viaducts were still not completed this August (there were only pylons).

http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...19248&t=h&z=16

The northbound lane in this map is the white road with a lot of curves, the soutbond the one in orange on the left.
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Old September 1st, 2009, 02:38 AM   #1445
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Thanks for the replies so far and yes it is a big detour as for crossing the border we intend in staying in Andorra overnight then maybe driving straight through to Granada which is why I am asking about the route. It's the A2 verses the A7 ( gotta love google maps ).

See my wife wants to go over to Morocco for a day or two and as she has spent a few months in Spain many years ago it won't matter if we drive past the big cities .. so she says.

The pics posted in this thread are excellent and i'm even more looking forward to driving on European roads again as a result.

Thanks again
Well, I've driven that stretch of road many times and I think I know were you can and can't avoid the tolls. As many people here say, there is no good alternative to the AP-7 going down towards southern Spain from Catalonia. Taking the detour over Madrid on the A-2 will only cost you a lot of petrol. The tolls don't make such a detour rational.

My advice when going down is taking the AP-7 from Barcelona to Valencia. On the Valencia bypass, follow the signs toward Albacete and Alicante (por interior) on the A-7. This will save you some 12-13 euros of toll. Then continue on the A-35 until you reach the signs for Alicante, don't go over Alcoy/Alcoi! You'll miss the A-31 which has a nice descent towards Alicante and is personally my favorite road in Spain to drive. When approaching Alicante on the A-31 you'll see signs indicating Murcia on the A-7. Follow those (40-50 kms) until you see signs towards Granada.

If you're heading towards Paris on your way back then going over Madrid is indeed the best option. Go to Granada and then take the A-44 towards Jaén and Madrid. At Bailén the road merges with the A-4. If you don't want to visit the centre of Madrid, then just take the M-50 bypass and then continue along the A-1 north. There is no alternative to the tolled AP-1 between Burgos and Miranda de Ebro. Between Vitoria-Gasteiz and Donostia/San Sebastian you can take either the AP-1 or the A-1/N-I (still signed N-I in the Basque Country). The AP-1 is more expensive since it's tolled, but faster and with a lot of impressive architecture. The A-1 is a tad bit longer, but untolled and with some impressive climbs. Once you've reached San Sebastian just take the A-8 towards Irun and France.

If I may, when you've passed Bordeaux on your way to Paris, take the N10 in the direction of Angouleme until Poitiers. It's an expressway which is 30 kms shorter than the A10 past Niort, and untolled. There are two stretches of single carriageway before arriving at Angouleme, and a few sections of at-grade crossings between Angouleme and Poitiers, but saving 30 kms and 19.10 euros in toll makes it worth while.
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If you're heading towards Paris on your way back then going over Madrid is indeed the best option. Go to Granada and then take the A-44 towards Jaén and Madrid. At Bailén the road merges with the A-4. If you don't want to visit the centre of Madrid, then just take the M-50 bypass and then continue along the A-1 north. There is no alternative to the tolled AP-1 between Burgos and Miranda de Ebro. Between Vitoria-Gasteiz and Donostia/San Sebastian you can take either the AP-1 or the A-1/N-I (still signed N-I in the Basque Country). The AP-1 is more expensive since it's tolled, but faster and with a lot of impressive architecture. The A-1 is a tad bit longer, but untolled and with some impressive climbs. Once you've reached San Sebastian just take the A-8 towards Irun and France.
Another free alternative is from Vitoria to Irurtzun A-1 (this part is named A-1, not all the A-1 is called N-I on Basque country, only the Guipuzkoa part) then A-10 and on Irurtzun go to the North by A-15, it's a high quality road and low trafic on it, it's a big longer, but free and no trafic issues.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 08:19 PM   #1447
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And again thanks it looks like the AP-7 and using the A-31 . In Australia if your going on a long trip there are very few choices regarding what road to use, in Spain and the rest of Europe there is so many alternatives so I can see I will have to make sure I have it sorted before I leave.

What is the general standard of drivers in Spain are they as good as the Germans? From my experiences I judge them the best highway drivers that I have ever seen, better than the Yanks and as much as I hate to say it us Aussies.

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Old September 3rd, 2009, 03:26 AM   #1448
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what is the situation at A4 at Despeñaperros area? is new section built or still u/c? i see at Google Earth it is allready drawn in.
It's still U/C as Coccodrillo said. Here you have some pictures taken in August:

http://www.urbanity.es/foro/infraest...tml#post282879

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:ok: Muy buen y detallado reportaje, PacoPaco.


Algunas fotos más de este sábado desde la otra calzada dirección a Madrid.

Primero el pequeño viaducto de Santa Elena con el tablero recién terminado y demontando el puente grúa para pasarlo al siguiente puente de El Manantial:




El impresionante viaducto de El Manantial listo para empezar a construir el tablero:






El Viaducto de Las Tinajuelas es el que de momento va más atrasado:





(Esta es de principios de agosto en dirección Bailén)



Y finalmente el viaducto de Despeñaperros acabado


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Old September 22nd, 2009, 04:28 PM   #1449
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Málaga bypass:

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Hace una semana tomé estas fotos de la parte Norte del Aeropuerto...



desde un poco más alante.



Y esta última como es de mala calidad, os la marco para que se vea mejor...



Some roads near Córdoba:

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Todo un clásico de este hilo...

Muy buenas las fotos de las nuevas incorporaciones!!!! Por cierto vaya lío de carteles pintados y repintados (o más bien con pegatinas pegadas y repegadas en la A-3...


Más fotos del sur


Circunvalando Córdoba






Tomando dirección Sevilla, A-4










Puente sobre el Guadalquivir

































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Old September 24th, 2009, 08:22 PM   #1450
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Lots of greenhouses along A-7, even bigger than the Dutch "Westland" near The Hague.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 02:54 PM   #1451
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Nice timelapse of A-44 Granada - Jaén in southern Spain:

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Why does the color of the lines change so often? Recently surfaced stretches get white lines and the old sections still have yellow lines or sth?
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Yellow lines mean works on the road. Also, I see some sings of the Ministerio de Fomento (ex. 2:21) announcing road works. I suppose that they are repaving the vast majority of the autovía.
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We need more activity in the Spanish thread.

Has all construction died out by now? No, it hasn't, but it looks like things slowed down significantly from the construction craze in the early 2000's.

A-15 Soria - Medinaceli:

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Old October 20th, 2009, 12:13 AM   #1455
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Some pics from the Barcelona area:

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Saliendo de Barcelona
























































Proximidades de Tarragona



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Sevilla area:

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Seguimos hacia Sevilla








Ciudad de Écija






Volvemos a la A-4




















Entrando en Sevilla


















Ya en Hispalis, enfilamos la mítica Avenida de Kansas City















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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:01 PM   #1457
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But hopefully you will continue on the next page

To me, Spain's motorway network is the best in Europe. We should follow the example of Spain in Bulgaria...
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Cordoba area:

Now I'll stop quoting before people get mad because of the loading time of this page
Already posted, see post #1230
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Nice video of the mountainous A-44 in southern Spain:

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