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Old November 17th, 2009, 12:32 AM   #1481
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Arriaca--that looks like a rebranding of vías rápidas as vías para automóviles (and an alteration of the entry sign) rather than their complete removal as a form of construction. And they are still being built with green signs in Autopista lettering! (Cf. VRG-2.2 in Galicia.)

X-type--yes, what you describe is a traditional vía rápida. The current vía para autómoviles concept is similar to the extent that the road has to have only one carriageway and must have full control of access. But it does not have to have just one lane in each direction--it can have more as long as there is only one carriageway.

The interesting thing about these classifications is the potential for a mismatch between what is actually built (the technical object) and what is legally declared to exist (the legal entity). The Benidorm bypass, for example, will be a carretera convencional even though it meets autovía standards with dual carriageways, comprehensive grade separation, full control of access, etc.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #1482
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Ok, I want to say that the name "vía rapida" today don´t exist, this roads today already exists, but its signals are like conventional road.

The design and project of "vía rapida" is the same than conventional roads, there is not a especific chapter for this type of roads on legislation

The normal section is 1,5 - 3,5 - 3,5 - 1,5


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Old November 20th, 2009, 11:00 PM   #1483
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Some footage of A-1 and AP-1 in northern Spain.

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Old November 20th, 2009, 11:43 PM   #1484
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Old November 21st, 2009, 04:03 PM   #1485
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This is how it looks from the National Road:




BTW, the VA-30 in Valladolid is about to be opened... finally.

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Old November 27th, 2009, 03:10 PM   #1486
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The hiperronda (Málaga) keeps advancing. Some parts are almost finished already.















More pictures: http://www.diariosur.es/multimedia/f...a-ronda-0.html



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Old November 27th, 2009, 03:25 PM   #1487
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That's MA-40. Google Maps already has it signed as A-7;

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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:49 AM   #1488
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gps-track of the new autopista ??

hi !

i see the pictures about the new autopista near malaga (MA-40 / A-46) and so i had the question:

did anybody had a gps-track of the new way - measure by yourself (not any other had rights about this data) and will spend these data for the free map openstreetmap. so i can draw the way like construction to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36...layers=B000FTF.

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Old December 2nd, 2009, 09:55 PM   #1489
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Since the new roads (MA-40 / AP-46) aren't finished yet I think it'll be hard to give you any GPS data if you're not involved with the construction.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:31 PM   #1490
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If the proyectos were online, it would be possible to develop GPS tracks from the curve bearings in the plans. Fomento, for example, has put proyectos online since mid-2008. But it does not look like any of the agencies or companies involved in MA-40 or AP-46 construction put proyectos online as part of their tendering procedures.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:46 PM   #1491
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But then again, how can these Google maps be so accurate, or are they? Will they be modified when the roads are finally open?
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:52 PM   #1492
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On the Google Maps hybrid view, you can see that the map layer does trace over the few parts where the construction is evident on the satellite layer. So picking off coordinates from the map layer is likely to be fairly close to accurate.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 05:29 PM   #1493
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On the Google Maps hybrid view, you can see that the map layer does trace over the few parts where the construction is evident on the satellite layer. So picking off coordinates from the map layer is likely to be fairly close to accurate.
hi !

"So picking off coordinates from the map layer " ... this is against the rights of google.

openstreetmap only used free data !

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Old December 3rd, 2009, 05:48 PM   #1494
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I did some Googling and discovered the following:

* The hiperronda is apparently to be part of the A-7 and the construction project to build it is apparently being administered directly by Fomento. But since it was put out to tender in 2007, no proyecto was ever put online for it. (What I would like to see, in the long term, is an online archive of past projects. This does not yet exist and I have had no luck emailing Fomento to ask if old projects can be obtained in electronic format. Under the Spanish constitution there is a general right of access to information held and produced by public bodies, but there is no statute defining the terms of access and so requests for information that is not already published on the Web tend to run into the problem of "administrative silence.")

* Fomento conceded construction of the AP-46 to a private company. I am not sure whether the concession agreement was negotiated on the basis of a complete proyecto de construcción (concession agreements vary widely in the extent to which they defer details of design to the concessionaire).
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:03 PM   #1495
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* The hiperronda is apparently to be part of the A-7 and the construction project to build it is apparently being administered directly by Fomento.
Do you also know what number the current A-7 through Málaga will get?
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:45 PM   #1496
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I'm not sure--maybe MA-20 or MA-21? (Do these already exist?) Also, I made a mistake; it turns out the contracts for the hiperronda were actually tendered by SEITT (Fomento's arm's-length private company for building infrastructure in anticipation of repayment over time by the government), not Fomento directly. There are five involved, with keys 43-MA-4250, 43-MA-4260, 43-MA-4270, 43-MA-4280 and 42-MA-4400.

This press release from Fomento has a map which may elucidate numbering of the bypassed length of A-7:

http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/8...5/07022314.pdf

Edit: Spanish Wikipedia suggests (but does not confirm) that the existing A-7 will revert to its old number of MA-20 once the hiperronda opens:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/MA-20
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Old December 4th, 2009, 01:23 AM   #1497
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If I'm not mistaken, the MA-21 exists as the renumbered N-340 going from Torremolinos to Málaga, providing access to the airport from these two cities. A re-renumbering of the current bypass to MA-20 would be logical to indicate that this is now a road for local traffic, while transit traffic uses the MA-40 which is designated A-7 to indicate a transit lane.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 05:54 PM   #1498
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The bridge over the bay of Cádiz:


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Old December 8th, 2009, 04:20 PM   #1499
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Last Christmas in the Sierra Nevada, Andalucía:

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Old December 8th, 2009, 04:30 PM   #1500
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Anisclo Canyon in Aragón:
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AP-66 between Gijón and León. It almost doesn't get better than this:
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