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Old December 29th, 2009, 09:34 PM   #1521
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According to Google Earth imagery, only a part near A-2 and around Terrassa.

A-7 and C-60 already exist.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 04:24 PM   #1522
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Madrid - Toledo

I made a map with all 11 east-west motorway-grade roads* in the 65 km between Madrid and Toledo:

1: M-30
2: M-40
3: M-45
4: M-406
5: M-50
6: M-506
7: M-410
8: M-404
9: CM-41**
10: A-40
11: TO-20

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* At least 2x2 and grade-separation.
** planned

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Old December 30th, 2009, 07:06 PM   #1523
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CM-41 is going forward--the Junta took bids on the concession last September.

Chris, are you sure B-40 isn't on the RCE?
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Old December 30th, 2009, 07:49 PM   #1524
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Chris, are you sure B-40 isn't on the RCE?
What's RCE?
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Old December 30th, 2009, 08:47 PM   #1525
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RCE = Red de Carreteras del Estado (the network maintained by Spanish central government).
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:00 PM   #1526
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Oh, yes of course. I knew that, just not the abbreviation

Well, you would think they would construct this as an extension of A-7. But apart from the conversion of N-II to A-2, the Estado de España isn't building so many roads in Catalonia anymore. Maybe Barcelona didn't want tot wait and built it themselves.

After all, this area is heavily populated, Sabadell and Terrassa are both 200,000 population cities, and the area in the Valles region is scattered with small towns and villages. Vallés Occidental is home to 862,000 and Vallés Oriental is home to 386,000 people. They are only connected by AP-7 for east-west connections. Most Autopistas and Autovías are Barcelona-oriented.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 10:30 PM   #1527
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Actually, it looks like Spanish central government is building the B-40 ("Cuarto circunvalación de Barcelona," according to Spanish Wikipedia). The current "Listado de Actuaciones" (list of activities) includes the following line item:

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Autovía B-40. Tramo: Viladecavalls - Terrassa
http://www.seitt.es/SEITT/LANG_CASTE...Carreteras.htm

I would certainly expect roads maintained by the Diputació de Barcelona to have a B- prefix. However, outside of Madrid it tends to be central government which builds and maintains autovías urbanas, and these are assigned a prefix corresponding to the numberplate code for the province in which the city is situated; for Barcelona this is also B-. MU-31 and V-30 are other examples of autovías urbanas which are on the RCE.

Elsewhere in metropolitan Barcelona, Fomento is building the Autovía del Baix Llobregat, which has the designation C-32 (therefore suggesting that it is an autovía autonomica of the Generalitat de Catalunya, but presumably it is on the RCE given that Fomento is building it). I am not sure how to explain this designation. As an aside, the proyecto constructivo for the C-32 used to be on the website of either Fomento or SEITT. If memory serves, it ran to around 50 volumes.
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Old December 30th, 2009, 10:36 PM   #1528
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The B-30 (that would be the "tercer circunvalación de Barcelona") are the local lanes on AP-7 by the way. Kinda weird to have two numbers for a local/express setup.
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Old December 31st, 2009, 03:57 PM   #1529
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Yes, the B-40 is being built by the central government. The funny thing is that NIMBYism in Catalonia is quite strong (at least compared to the rest of Spain), so there's always people complaining about the construction - and even more people demanding it.

These two pictures were taken in 1997. People in Terrasa and Sabadell against the Quart Cinturó:



Source: http://www.pangea.org/ccqc/eng/cinteng.htm

I've always thought that the Catalan goverment builds few autovías for their economic power. Madrid for example seems to build much more, but Catalans prefer the vías rápidas.

BTW, apart from the A-2 and B-40, Fomento is carrying more projects in Catalonia: A-7, A-22, A-26, A-27, A-14...
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Old December 31st, 2009, 04:04 PM   #1530
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On the other hand, the Barcelona region already has a huge motorway network of Autovías and Autopistas. Much larger than comparable cities. Spain has an infrastructure network that is way better than any other country in Europe.

The current network in Catalunya is 1.231 km, with a future expansion to 1.773 km of Autovías and Autopistas*. That's quite impressive for a region of 7,4 million people, especially if you narrow it down to the Barcelona province.

* I am in the progress of making a Spain-wide list of current and future Autovías and Autopistas on the Dutch wegenwiki
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Old December 31st, 2009, 06:16 PM   #1531
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C-32 plans still online:

http://www.seitt.es/SEITT/LANG_CASTE...20081030-C.htm

53 volumes!
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Old December 31st, 2009, 07:00 PM   #1532
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Is that this short route near Sant Boi de Llobregat?

"Baix de Llobregat" means "lower Llobregat", so I take it is somewhere in this area.
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Old December 31st, 2009, 09:24 PM   #1533
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Yup, that's it. (I see "Sant Boi" and wonder, "St. Boy?") BTW, it looks like you got your map extract from something or other to do with the Madrid-Barcelona LAV.
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Old December 31st, 2009, 09:27 PM   #1534
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Does this mean C-32 will be rerouted north? And if so, what number will the part towards the A-2/B-10/B-20 get?
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Old December 31st, 2009, 10:22 PM   #1535
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M-30 Madrid

The busiest road in Europe!

AADT: 312.000
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Old January 1st, 2010, 04:38 PM   #1536
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Yup, that's it. (I see "Sant Boi" and wonder, "St. Boy?") BTW, it looks like you got your map extract from something or other to do with the Madrid-Barcelona LAV.
Sant Boi = Saint Baudilus
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Old January 1st, 2010, 05:39 PM   #1537
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Many thanks for this. Do you also know what "Can" means, as in placenames like "Can Graells," "Can Poblet," and so on? I figure it refers to a type of landform but Catalan Wikipedia is unhelpful.
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If I don't remember bad, "Can" is the contraction of "Ca En", in Spanish it would be "Casa Don" or "Casa de Don". Therefore "Can Graells" could be translated as "Mr. Graell's house" or "Graells family's house".
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Old January 1st, 2010, 11:52 PM   #1539
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It may sounds kind of fool, but I am not familiar with Spanish Roads Terminology. Which is the differencen between an Autopista, Autovia and Via Rapida?. For what I have seen in this thread Autopista and Autovia look very similar, I couldn't find any difference.

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Old January 1st, 2010, 11:54 PM   #1540
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Autopista = tolled motorway
Autovía = toll free motorway
Vía Rápida = express road

However, I have noticed some multilane roads with roundabouts are also designated as an Autovía, like A-78 and A-79 near Elche. However, they seems to make up a tiny fraction of the whole Autovía network.
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