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Old January 2nd, 2010, 12:10 AM   #1541
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Hey, did the Hiperronda de Málaga (MA-40) open today? According to the Spanish Wikipedia, it will open today...
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM   #1542
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Autopista = tolled motorway
Autovía = toll free motorway
Vía Rápida = express road

However, I have noticed some multilane roads with roundabouts are also designated as an Autovía, like A-78 and A-79 near Elche. However, they seems to make up a tiny fraction of the whole Autovía network.
There is also the A-7 between Marbella and Guadiaro which is really substandard on this section.
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 03:47 AM   #1543
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Hey, did the Hiperronda de Málaga (MA-40) open today? According to the Spanish Wikipedia, it will open today...
Very unlikely, according to the discussions at the Foro Rascacielos the opening is a few months away. The construction on the connecting AP-46 was even halted completely and won't be resumed until the 11th of January.
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 02:43 PM   #1544
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Autopista = tolled motorway
Autovía = toll free motorway
Vía Rápida = express road

However, I have noticed some multilane roads with roundabouts are also designated as an Autovía, like A-78 and A-79 near Elche. However, they seems to make up a tiny fraction of the whole Autovía network.
Actually, the standars of autopista and autovia (not the first) are very simillar. For the users is the same an autovia or an autopista.

An autopista can be a tolled motorway or not. A single rule is "all the autovias are free motorway and all the tolled motorway are autopistas"

The only difference between a autopista and a via rapida is that the former has two lanes and the second only one for both directions
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 04:07 PM   #1545
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Yes, both Autovías and Autopistas are both motorways.
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Old January 2nd, 2010, 06:31 PM   #1546
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There are no differences design-wise between the autovías and autopistas built after the 80's. The first-generation autovías, those built in the 80's, are in process of renovation and adaptation to the modern standards. Moreover, all the motorways before the construction of these first-generation autovías were called and signed as autopistas. Let's say that the first autovías were a cheap solution for increasing traffic capacity. Spain was quite poor then and we couldn't afford a better solution, so they just built a parallel carriageway next to the existing radial national roads. That doesn't mean that they don't reach the current standards in all its length, only in certain points. They usually have less crashbarriers and the acceleration/deceleration lanes are shorter than in modern autovías though.


Example of an old (70's?) toll-free motorway, called autopista in those times.

Google Street View

Example of a first-generation autovía (80's)

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Example of a modern autovía (90's)

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Example of a modern autovía (2000s):

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Example of an old autopista (70's-80's)

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Example of a modern autopista (2000's)

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Something similar happened with the N-340 (now A-7) in the Costa del Sol. Well, it was actually worst due to the lack of space. Some examples:

Stretch built with old standards (Calahonda):


Stretch built with modern standards (Benalmádena):


Also, there are some roundabouts as Morsue said: Google Street View

Notice that the signs have white background (like national roads) instead of blue (like autovías or autopistas).

Also, the mileage (kilometrage) posts say N-340 instead of A-7:
Google Street View

There's a tunnel U/C near Marbella (here) for the A-7. According to Wikipedia it should be open this year-I doubt it.


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Some good news: Only 1.897 people died in traffic accidents in Spain last year (2009). We hadn't reached this level since 1964.

Evolution 1992-2008:



http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espan...lpepunac_2/Tes
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 05:55 PM   #1547
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Current sign:
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My proposal:
[img]http://i45.************/aer0i8.jpg[/img]

Basically cut back on E-numbers (useless anyway) and re-center the numbers. Signing the port of Cádiz here is not necessary anyway.
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 07:32 PM   #1548
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I don't see why you're so opposed to E-numbering. If E-numbers were the only ones signed, and national numbers removed from the streches, i think i just might work as a wannabe interstate system.
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 08:02 PM   #1549
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There are thousands of kilometers of motorways that are not part of the E-road system. If you would only sign E-routes, you would get a very confusing and fragmented system of other motorways. Denmark, Sweden and Belgium are not exactly examples of a clear signing system when it comes to motorways (nor is Spain).
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Old January 3rd, 2010, 08:25 PM   #1550
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I didn't mean E-roads only. I mean something like we do in Denmark. E-roads are signed with E-numbers and other motorways are signed with a national number.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 02:03 AM   #1551
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[B]Something similar happened with the N-340 (now A-7) in the Costa del Sol. Well, it was actually worst due to the lack of space. Some examples:

Stretch built with old standards (Calahonda):


Stretch built with modern standards (Benalmádena):


Also, there are some roundabouts as Morsue said: Google Street View

Notice that the signs have white background (like national roads) instead of blue (like autovías or autopistas).

Also, the mileage (kilometrage) posts say N-340 instead of A-7:
Google Street View
The scary thing about driving on the old fashioned A-7 on the Costa del Sol is oncoming traffic. Since there is no space here at all for acceleration lanes, there are only stop signs at entrances and motorists are forced to weave into traffic flowing at 80-100 kmh. Using this stretch I try to avoid the right lane as much as possible, only moving to the right when someone wants to overtake me, leading to my increasing speed to avoid being overtaken and thus increasing the risk of accidents on such a curvy road. I don't like it.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 04:28 AM   #1552
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Thanks everyone for your answers.

BTW, I really like the Spanish Mobility Model. Building Motorways and Public Transportation. Madrid System is incredible.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 08:44 AM   #1553
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Some good news: Only 1.897 people died in traffic accidents in Spain last year (2009). We hadn't reached this level since 1964.

Evolution 1992-2008:



http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espan...lpepunac_2/Tes
This means Spain now has 12% less traffic fatalities than the Netherlands, based on population.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 01:35 PM   #1554
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Signing the port of Cádiz here is not necessary anyway.
In fact they don't sign the port of Cádiz, but Seville's.
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Old January 4th, 2010, 05:44 PM   #1555
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This means Spain now has 12% less traffic fatalities than the Netherlands, based on population.
And 2009 Spain had less than 2000 fatalities for first time(1,897; with 5 days in 2009 without any fatality). Between 2003 and 2009 the number of fatalities has been reduced by more than 50% (52,4%) achiving the EU target (reduction of 50% of fatalities in the 2001-2010 period). Which clearly means : Good News!

http://www.dgt.es/was6/portal/conten...Prensa0027.pdf

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Old January 4th, 2010, 06:27 PM   #1556
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If I don't remember bad, "Can" is the contraction of "Ca En", in Spanish it would be "Casa Don" or "Casa de Don". Therefore "Can Graells" could be translated as "Mr. Graell's house" or "Graells family's house".
once in the past i asked my frend from Barcelona what does "can" mean and i understood her similar to your explanation, but i understood it mor like "property", not "house"
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Yeah, it literally means "house" or "home", but it could also mean "property".
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Old January 4th, 2010, 06:38 PM   #1558
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Based on Cicerón's explanation, I would think the use of "Can" in Catalan placenames is analogous to the use of "Manor" in English placenames (e.g. Boston Manor--the elevated section of the M4 coming into central London was known as the Boston Manor Viaduct when it was being built in the early 1960's).
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Indeed, thats in the London Borough of Hounslow, a main thoroughfare off the Great West Road (A4) towards Ealing is the Boston Manor Road and a local station on the Picadilly Line is Boston Manor, actually the tube does pass over the M4 at one point
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Probably the longest road number for a motorway so far, ARA-A1 (this is longer than EX-A1)

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