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Old January 7th, 2010, 10:47 AM   #1581
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There are currently hundreds of kilometers of new Autovía under construction.

I made this list using the Spanish wikipedia (Red de Carreteras de España only, not autonomous or provincial motorways)

A-2: Tordes - Caldes de Malavella: 24 kilometer
A-2: Medinya - Bascara: 3 kilometer
A-7: San Pedro de Alcántara - Puerto Banús: 5 kilometer
A-7: Almuñecar - Guadalfeo: 11 kilometer
A-7: A-44 - Castell de Ferro: 22 kilometer
A-7: Castillo de Baños - Albuñol: 15 kilometer
A-7: Alcoi-Norte - Albaida: 19 kilometer
A-7: Puebla Tornesa - Villanueva de Alcolea: 18 kilometer
A-7: L'Hospitalet de l'Infant - Vandellós: 8 kilometer
A-7: Abrera - Terrassa: 16 kilometer
A-8: Solares - La Encina: 14 kilometer
A-8: La Encina - Torrelavega: 15 kilometer -
A-8: Unquera - Llanes: 23 kilometer -
A-8: Muros de Nalón - Las Dueñas: 8 kilometer
A-8: Navia - Tapia: 12 kilometer
A-8: Barreiros - Villalba: 52 kilometer
A-11: La Mallona - Venta Nueva: 21 kilometer
A-11: El Burgo de Osma - Aranda de Duero: 59 kilometer
A-11: Zamora - Ronda norte de Zamora: 6 kilometer
A-14: Lleida - Roselló: 6 kilometer
A-14: Roselló - Almenar: 10 kilometer
A-15: Medinaceli - Almazán: 42 kilometer
A-21: Izco - Venta de Judas: 7 kilometer
A-21: Yesa - Tiermas: 11 kilometer
A-21: Sigüés - Fago: 8 kilometer
A-21: Puente de Reina de Jaca - Jaca: 16 kilometer
A-22: Siétamo - Ponzano: 21 kilometer
A-22: El Pueyo - Monzón-Oeste: 11 kilometer
A-22: Monzón-Este - Almacellas: 35 kilometer
A-23: Nueno - Sabiñánigo-Este: 40 kilometer
A-23: Sabiñánigo-Oeste - Jaca: 10 kilometer
A-27: El Morell - Montblanc: 22 kilometer
A-32: Linares - Puente de Génave: 127 kilometer
A-33: Blanca (A-30) - Jumilla: 31 kilometer
A-33: Caudete (A-31) - La Fuente de Higuera
A-38: Sollana - Sueca-Norte: 8 kilometer
A-38: Cullera - Favara: 10 kilometer
A-38: Xeresa - Gandía: 3 kilometer
A-38: Benissa-Norte - Benissa-Sur: 4 kilometer
A-38: Benidorm-Este - Villajoyosa: 8 kilometer
A-38: Guardamar del Segura - Pilar de Horadada: 36 kilometer
A-40: Torrijos - Toledo: 13 kilometer
A-40: Villarrubia de Santiago - Carracosca: 47 kilometer
AP-46: Málaga - Antequera: 25 kilometer
A-54: Palas de Rei - Lugo: 42 kilometer
A-54: Labacolla - Arzua-Oeste: 19 kilometer
A-56: San Martiño - Barrela: 10 kilometer
A-56: Chantada - Narón: 21 kilometer
A-60: Santas Martas - León: 27 kilometer
A-63: Grado - La Espina: 24 kilometer
A-73: Burgos - Quintillana de Vivar: ? km
A-73: Montorio - Aguilar de Campo: ? km
A-75: A-52 - Portugal: 11 kilometer
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Old January 7th, 2010, 11:02 AM   #1582
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Oh shit! It's over 1000km motorway under construction. So you answered my question, they have a lot to do.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 11:11 AM   #1583
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Yeah, it's about 1.200 kilometers of motorway under construction.

And once most of it is finished in 2 - 3 years, they will begin expanding the great AVE High Speed Train network, which also includes significant engineering challenges due to the mountainous nature of Spain.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 01:37 PM   #1584
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Yeah, it's about 1.200 kilometers of motorway under construction.

And once most of it is finished in 2 - 3 years, they will begin expanding the great AVE High Speed Train network, which also includes significant engineering challenges due to the mountainous nature of Spain.
Sad is that Poland will never reach such level of infrastructure development.

We have now 1522 km of motorways and expresways in use and 649 km of them under construction. Our media say that we have boom in road construction.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #1585
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Chris, there are 22 km of the A-12 u/c too, plus 6,3 more in some weeks.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autov%C3%ADa_del_Camino
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Old January 7th, 2010, 09:59 PM   #1586
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The old N-II from Zaragoza to Fraga, crossing the Monegros desert. This is what happens when the tolls are too expensive for trucks .

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Pongo unas fotos de la N-II que hice a primeros de Noviembre:






























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Old January 7th, 2010, 10:13 PM   #1587
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Yeah I know what you're mean. Once I was driving on A-2 near Lleida, and it was full of trucks, but the AP-2 was deserted. I think the toll road has had it's longest functional lifespan in Spain. Especially in areas like AP-2 where there is a good alternate in the form of N-II, which has almost no populated places between Zaragoza and Lleida.

AP-7, AP-8 and AP-9 are different though. They run through mountainous areas or avoid major population centers. The Spanish toll roads are among the most expensive in Europe.
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Old January 8th, 2010, 02:20 AM   #1588
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I made this list using the Spanish wikipedia (Red de Carreteras de España only, not autonomous or provincial motorways)
I found some more kilometers of autovía/autopista autonómica under construction in Spain, using also the Spanish Wiki:

- EX-A1 Plasencia-Moraleja, 47 km
- C-32, Pallafols-Tordera, ?
- C-17 Manlleu-Ripoll, ?
- ARA-A4, Tarazona-Borja, ?
- AG-64 Cabreiros-Villalba (A-8), 14 km

The N-II is full of trucks, but the construction of "A-2" is not the right solution...
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Old January 8th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #1589
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The old N-II from Zaragoza to Fraga, crossing the Monegros desert. This is what happens when the tolls are too expensive for trucks .
No, it is what happens when in other roads the trucks don't pay according to the road damage they do
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Old January 8th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #1590
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I've read somewhere a fully loaded truck with 4 axles does the same damage to the pavement as 10,000 cars. The main problem is the axle load of a car is usually between 500 and 800 kg, but can be 8.000 kg for a loaded truck.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 12:33 AM   #1591
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That is the simplification of the AASHO fourth-power law which is usually trotted out for mass-media consumption. The actual mathematical relationship is that the wear on the pavement is proportional to the fourth power of the axle load.

For purposes of pavement design, at least in the USA, engineers decompose the axle loads associated with the various types of vehicles which use a road into what are called Equivalent Standard Axle Loadings (ESALs). The ESAL per axle of a given vehicle is calculated by taking to the fourth power the ratio of its weight to the weight of a reference standard axle. Because truck axle loadings are the major constraint in pavement design, ESALs are based on typical truck axle weights. For example, a single truck axle might have an ESAL of 1, while a typical passenger car axle might have an ESAL of 0.0001.

The design life of a pavement is quantified in terms of the number of ESALs which it can tolerate before it reaches a certain defined level of structural failure. In practice some pavements can overshoot this ESAL value while others undershoot it. The AASHO fourth-power law is empirically derived and the relationship of wear to axle loading tends to be lower than a fourth-power law for subgrades with high CBR and higher for subgrades with low CBR. (CBR = California Bearing Ratio = a standardized measure of the "hardness" of the ground underneath the structural pavement layers.)

It is important to note that although truck axles apply on the order of tens of thousands as much wear to pavements as passenger car axles, this does not imply that the cost of building a road to accommodate truck traffic is ten thousand times as much. In practice, the added material required to maintain or extend chronological pavement life for a greatly increased number of ESALs comes down to several inches of concrete or asphalt. A typical example might be adding 2" to a 10" Portland cement concrete pavement to change its design lifetime from, say, 25 years to (effectively) infinity, for a given volume of truck traffic.

In practice, another important constraint on pavement life is the projected increase in overall traffic volumes. If it can be foreseen that the road will require significant widening at the end of its design life (say 40 years), then it makes little sense to build the pavement to last much longer than 40 years, unless there is reason to suspect that it will be impossible to deliver the widening at the end of the 40 years. These and many other considerations are integrated into lifecycle cost analysis, which is an important aspect of highway pavement design.

In the US, some states have moved toward what are called "perpetual" pavements for roads which they expect never to have to widen, the classic example being long lengths of rural Interstate in the Plains states. A perpetual pavement can be either concrete or asphalt, but will require some ongoing maintenance regardless of type. Asphalt perpetual pavements typically have a sacrificial top layer of asphalt which needs to be milled off and relaid periodically.
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AP-8 San Sebastián bypass.

Currently U/C, but I have no idea about the completion date.

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Weird rounded road number boxes near Bilbao.
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AP-8 San Sebastián bypass.

Currently U/C, but I have no idea about the completion date.
It will be opened after next summer with a cost of 317 million € for almost 17 km It has 6 tunnels and 14 viaducts, one of them is 1 km long

You can see some pictures in this thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=800764
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Old January 11th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #1595
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Weird rounded road number boxes near Bilbao.
As of yesterday night, these boxes have the usual squarish boundary.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 06:17 PM   #1596
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I heard that this morning the traffic was 92% lower in Madrid due to the snow. The public transportation was crowded though. I can't believe that we (the Spaniards) have paid attention to the recommendations given by Fomento and the traffic authority (DGT)

The tolls on the R-2, R-3, R-4, R-5 and M-12 had been opened from 7 to 9 AM and the army has had to remove the snow from some cities in southern Madrid.







Some pictures of the rare green signs on the N-634 near Santander. You can see the works of the future A-8 in the background.

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I have calculated all current and future projects in Spain.

All
* completed
* under construction
* planned
* projected
* studied

Autovías and Autopistas of;

* Estado de España
* Comunidades
* Provincial / Ciudades

are a combined 20.944 kilometers of motorway.
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Old January 11th, 2010, 10:28 PM   #1598
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Great! How did you do it? It must be quite difficult to count the kilometres projected by the municipalities, even if you only take the bigger ones.

It would be great to have an Excel book with a catalogue of all highways, kilometres under construction, etc
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Old January 11th, 2010, 11:40 PM   #1599
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Find the seven differences


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...90.69,,1,-9.92


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...84.16,,1,-7.68

These signals are in the same strecht of Ronda de Dalt (B-20), in Barcelona. Only that the first signal has been put by autonomical administration, and the second one by state administration. Also note the colors of C-31 and C-32
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I heard that this morning the traffic was 92% lower in Madrid due to the snow. The public transportation was crowded though. I can't believe that we (the Spaniards) have paid attention to the recommendations given by Fomento and the traffic authority (DGT)
Spaniards don't pay attention?
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