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Old June 25th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #1741
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Interesting, does AP-1 goes all the way to the French border? I thought it ended at Eibar.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #1742
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But ChrisZwolle is right. And since Spain has given País Vasco a lot of authority in their own region, they do have the right to keep the road numbers like that.
I don't think so. They may have convinced the "Ministerio de Fomento" to do it, but that's a different thing.


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Interesting, does AP-1 goes all the way to the French border? I thought it ended at Eibar.
It doesn't, in fact, it ends in Irún, near the border.

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Old June 25th, 2010, 09:49 PM   #1743
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There is one GOOD reason to don't name all the old N-1 has A-1: it don't fits autovia standars on Guipuzkoa, a sample:



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For A-8 they are slowly changing to AP-8 on some places.
Where is that bend?
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Old June 25th, 2010, 10:12 PM   #1744
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Spanish signs! I still don't like them. I think they are the worst in Europe. They looks to complicated.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 10:30 PM   #1745
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I think Baiona is Basque, as Bayonne is in the French part of the Basque Country. Bordeaux is not and is thus signed in French
It´s right, Baiona is the Basque name for Bayonne
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Old June 25th, 2010, 10:32 PM   #1746
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Where is that bend?
Here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&...17713&t=h&z=17
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Old June 25th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #1747
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It´s right, Baiona is the Basque name for Bayonne
Ah, I was checking what it could be, I only knew the Baiona in Galicia.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 11:41 PM   #1748
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N-I, like many other primary Autovías (A-1 - A-6) are basically an upgrade of the existing road with another carriageway, not taking into account motorway design standards. Back in the 80's, they didn't foresee the massive Autovía construction from ~1995 - 2007, and Autovías were intended to be significantly below Autopista standard. Later, Autovías and Autopistas basically became the same with the most prominent exception being tolls, but then those A-1 through A-6 were already duplicated.

Actually, Brazil is going through the same thing now. Many main roads are duplicated to 2x2. I wonder if they will run into the same trouble, these roads tend to be dangerous with higher traffic volumes due to the poor design standards.
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Yes, that place the bad part is the old N-I road, and the good part is the new road, it's suposed they go to fix that some day. *i hope before they go to start adding a toll to that road*
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Old June 26th, 2010, 12:16 AM   #1750
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Well the truth is that they are not the ones who take the decision.
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But ChrisZwolle is right. And since Spain has given País Vasco a lot of authority in their own region, they do have the right to keep the road numbers like that.
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I don't think so. They may have convinced the "Ministerio de Fomento" to do it, but that's a different thing.
The Basque Country and Navarre manage their roads except the AP-68 and they are in fact the ones who can change the numbering
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Old June 26th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #1751
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So they can call N1 BC938 then?
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Old June 26th, 2010, 01:09 AM   #1752
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By the way, which number would the old AP-8 (signed as A-8) get near San Sebastián?
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I think it will remain as A-8. Or A-1/A-8... The section Pendueles-Llanes will open in 2011

I want to see A-2 all the way from Madrid to the French border. Now I know where build the A-2 between kilometerposts 630 and 675, but at kmpost 653 there is a golf course...
From: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=800764&page=4

they say GI-20 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43...727051&zoom=14
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Old June 26th, 2010, 01:11 AM   #1753
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this picture also indicated GI-20 (Gipuzkoa). I already couldn't find this number on Google Earth, and an xx-x0 number is usually given to a beltway or bypass, so GI-20 sounds very plausible.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 01:21 AM   #1754
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So they can call N1 BC938 then?
Yep, but it would be quite stupid . When all the Spanish highways were renamed, the Basque ones remained with their old names, maybe because the changes could confuse the users, but I think it was because they didn't want to spend money on changin all the signs, so they are doing it gradually. The Navarrese government did it fron the first moment though: A-15 to AP-15, even the A-1 is called A-1 in Navarre!

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this picture also indicated GI-20 (Gipuzkoa). I already couldn't find this number on Google Earth, and an xx-x0 number is usually given to a beltway or bypass, so GI-20 sounds very plausible.
I can't understand why they keep using the orange background for that kind of motorways. The same happens with the A-92, the CV-35 and the M-45. Yes, it's managed by the Autonomous Communities, but they're Autovías after all!

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Well for the point of N-I/A-1 the side from Vitoria-Gasteiz to Alsasua was called A-1 since long time ago (when the Vitoria-Gasteiz bypass was made) but the Miranda de Ebro to Vitoria-Gasteiz part was N-1 until few months ago when the part Miranda de Ebro to Armiñon was adapted to standards.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 12:08 PM   #1756
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Another stupid numbering: this motorway is numbered A-92N in Andalusia and A-91 in Murcia, because the first is managed by the region the second by the central government: http://maps.google.ch/?ie=UTF8&ll=37...,0.289764&z=12
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Old June 26th, 2010, 01:07 PM   #1757
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Igual se sale un poco del tema pero, por qué no se señaliza el puerto y el Aeropuerto en las nueva señalización?

Baiona is completely in the opposite direction, it is in Pontevedra province!
(Yep, I know this is for Bayonne )
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Old June 26th, 2010, 03:11 PM   #1758
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Another stupid numbering: this motorway is numbered A-92N in Andalusia and A-91 in Murcia, because the first is managed by the region the second by the central government: http://maps.google.ch/?ie=UTF8&ll=37...,0.289764&z=12
In Aragon we have a very very short number for an autovía: ARA-A1.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 04:01 PM   #1759
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GI-20?? Urban belts are named after the town, not after the province! It should be SS-20 instead.
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Old June 26th, 2010, 07:03 PM   #1760
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Yep. GI-20 should be in Girona, not in Donostia.
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