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Old July 22nd, 2010, 07:11 PM   #1801
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Funny articles apart, this is the official list of the works stopped given by the Minister of Public Works today (regarding only roads, not railways):

Region (Percentage of contracts cancelled, including railways)

Andalucía (2%):
A-32 Úbeda-Torreperogil
A-32 Torreperogil-Villacarrillo
A-32 Villacarrillo-Villanueva del Arzobispo

Aragón (12%):
A-21 Jaca Oeste-Santa Cilia
A-23 Congosto del Isuela-Arguis
A-23 Lanave-Embalse de Jabarrella
N-232 Ráfales-LP Castellón

Canarias (0%)


Cantabria (22%):
N-621 Potes-LP León
N-629 Lanestosa-LP Burgos
A-8 La Encina-Torrelavega
A-8 Solares-La Encina

Castilla y León (9%):
A-11 Variante de Aranda de Duero
BU-30 Villalbilla de Burgos-Quintanadueñas
A-73 Pedrosa de Valdelucio-Báscones de Valdivia
A-73 Báscones de Valdivia-Aguilar de Campoo

Castilla-La Mancha (0%)


Cataluña (2,7%):
A-2 Medinyà-Orriols
A-14 Lleida-Roselló
A-14 Roselló-Almenar
A-27 Variante de Valls-Montblanc
Junction in Castellbisbal

Comunidad de Madrid (2%):
Junction A-6/M-40

Comunidad Foral de Navarra (0%)

Comunidad Valenciana (3,1%):
A-33 From A-31 to A-35

Extremadura (10%):
N-110 Tornavacas-Navaconejo

Galicia (1,9%):
A-56 San Martiño-Barrella Norte (2)

Islas Baleares (0%)

La Rioja (0%)

País Vasco (0%)

Principado de Asturias (3%):
A-63 Salas-La Espina

Región de Murcia (8%):
Autovía del Reguerón (MU-30?)

Source: http://estaticos.elmundo.es/document...upuestario.pdf

IMO:
The worst: HSL Palencia-Santander, BU-30 and MU-30 cancelled.
The best: SE-40 not cancelled.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 07:20 PM   #1802
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Hmm, I think it's a mistake to scrap A-8 sections. That road is of national importance, the others are relatively unimportant and can wait for a few years.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 07:47 PM   #1803
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IMO the worst the A-23 and A-21 sections. I think there will remain gaps just before Arguis, between Lanave and Sabiñánigo and just west of Jaca... And there will be black spots on those sections of N-330 and N-240!
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 08:44 PM   #1804
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IMO the worst the A-23 and A-21 sections.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 08:54 PM   #1805
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What a surprise
hehe Indeed.

But you are also Overijssel and Drenthe-biased in your posts on the Dutch Highways thread, so I guess that pretty much everyone would like to have a lot of freeways near our own backyards.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 09:14 PM   #1806
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I don't think it's really biased, but more like experienced. You obviously know the local traffic problems around you better than something 200 kilometers away.
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Old July 23rd, 2010, 07:01 PM   #1807
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Projects marked with * will be included in the plan for public-private financing.
Projects marked with ** will be awarded (is this the right word?) to a new company.


Also, most of the remaining works will be delayed from 1 to 4 years.
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Old July 23rd, 2010, 07:12 PM   #1808
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Projects marked with * will be included in the plan for public-private financing.
Projects marked with ** will be awarded (is this the right word?) to a new company.


Also, most of the remaining works will be delayed from 1 to 4 years.
I think that for competitive construction contracts, "award" is the proper word.
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Old July 23rd, 2010, 09:37 PM   #1809
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Projects marked with * will be included in the plan for public-private financing.
Projects marked with ** will be awarded (is this the right word?) to a new company.


Also, most of the remaining works will be delayed from 1 to 4 years.
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Old July 24th, 2010, 12:02 PM   #1810
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And yesterday I read on newspaper that works on A-23 will get stopped. So until at least 2018 the motorway won't be completed x10^100.
But the best (I think) is N-260 Fiscal-Sabiñánigo. But please, no more delays, is so delayed... The other day forumer Alserrod spotted foreign people saying all but good. The reason is that their GPS told they to go through that road that isn't opened yet (And it was set to open in 2007 or even before!)
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Old July 25th, 2010, 02:40 AM   #1811
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And yesterday I read on newspaper that works on A-23 will get stopped. So until at least 2018 the motorway won't be completed x10^100.
But the best (I think) is N-260 Fiscal-Sabiñánigo. But please, no more delays, is so delayed... The other day forumer Alserrod spotted foreign people saying all but good. The reason is that their GPS told they to go through that road that isn't opened yet (And it was set to open in 2007 or even before!)
Hey, tell me something: I was looking on Via Michelin maps (they have better legends/road number/projects and u/c info) on Aragón. The stretch on A-23 from Sabíñánigo to Monrepós pass is marked as "under construction" as "autovías en obras". The sections from Monrepós pass to Mueno, though, are marked with expected complete days all in 2010. And it seems there was/is a "gap" North of Nueno with a very tight 2-lanes road.

I've driven all the way from France to Zaragoza in 2007 and I pretty much remember: (1) the awesome landscape and terrain from Biescas to Huesca; (2) the very strong winds; (3) road construction activity.

So at what stage were the roadworks that will no be abandoned?

In early 2009 I've driven from Pamplona to France via the Sumport pass (it was open for traffic despite snow and I, of course, skipped the Sumport tunnel ). I remember there were quite advanced roadworks in some sectors, but other were pretty much intact. The stretches near Yesa are among the most beautiful roads I've ever driven through in my life. I even have registered, at the moment and without preparation or editing, the ride:

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Old July 25th, 2010, 03:57 AM   #1812
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Here we are

Firstly, a bit of history. Since 1939, when the Plan General de Carreteras was launched, Spain has a "radial" road system with six main roads that go from the Puerta del Sol in Madrid (in the centre of the Iberian peninsula) to the French border in Irún, the French border in La Jonquera, Valencia, Cádiz, the Portuguese border in Badajoz and Corunna.

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The prefix used was N (for nacional -national-). Those six main routes had Roman numbers form I to VI:

N-I: Madrid-Burgos-Vitoria-San Sebastián-Irún-France
N-II: Madrid-Guadalajara-Zaragoza-Lleida-Barcelona-Girona-La Jonquera-France
N-III: Madrid-Valencia
N-IV: Madrid-Córdoba-Seville-Cádiz
N-V: Madrid-Badajoz-Portugal
N-VI: Madrid-Corunna

The rest of national roads had three numbers:

-The first one depends on which of the six areas they start in.
-The second one depends on how far from Madrid they start in (every 100 km the number increases).
-The third one depends on their "position": It is an odd number if they were "radial", or an even number if they are "transverse".

Therefore, the N-120 starts in the area I (between N-I and N-II), between 200 and 300 km far from Madrid and it's "transverse". The N-655 starts in the area VI (between N-VI and N-I), between 500 and 600 km far from Madrid and it's "radial".



List of national roads: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_de_...ras_del_Estado

The same system was used with the regional roads, with the only difference that their prefix was a C (and their quality was inferior obviously). In the Balearic Islands they started with C-7XX, in the Canary Islands with C-8XX.

List of regional roads (until 1978): http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:C...de_Espa%C3%B1a


But since 1978 Spain is divided in Autonomous Communities that can manage and built their own roads. Therefore the regional roads were transferred to them, as well as some national roads, and the Autonomous Communities changed the prefix C- for their own prefixes, and in some cases they changed the number too. For example the old C-113 is now called LR-113 in La Rioja, the old C-601 is now called M-601 in Madrid and CL-601 in Castile and Leon.

The national roads are still managed by the Central Government, except in the Basque Country and Navarre because they have a special status within Spain (except the AP-68 that is still managed by the Central Government even in the Basque Country and Navarre).

The national roads and most of the highways are, as I said before, managed by the Central Government, and they form the so-called Red de Carreteras del Estado (RCE). These roads and highways are called itinerarios de interés general ("itineraries of general interest"), which have the following characteristics:

-They are a part of an international route.
-They are access roads to the main ports, airports or border crossings.
-They connect the main cities through different Autonomous Communities.

In this network there are five different prefixes:

N- for national roads, white numbers over a red background: N-I, N-232...
A- for toll-free motorways, white numbers over a blue background: A-1, A-75... The A stands for Autovía or Autopista.
AP- for tolled motorways, white numbers over a blue background: AP-1, AP-68... AP stands for Autopista de Peaje.
R- white numbers over a blue background, for the radial tolled highways near Madrid: R-2, R-3... R stands for Radial.
-A city prefix plus two digits for ring roads or acess highways, using the provincial codes: M for Madrid (M-40), B for Barcelona (B-21). Normally those codes used for ring roads end in 0.


In every Autonomous Community (and we have 17 plus 2 autonomous cities!) there is a different law about how the roads are called, mantained, built, etc Anyway, there are different colors depending on the importance of the road:

Orange background for first-level roads.
Green background for second-level roads.
Yellow background for third-level roads.

In some Autonomous Communities they only use a prefix for all roads (for example Comunidad Valenciana (CV), La Rioja (LR) etc) some other they use both the prefix of the Autonomous Community (for main roads) and the province code (for minor roads, for example Catalonia or Castile and Leon), some other only use the province codes (for example Galicia or the Basque Country). AND, in the two Spanish archipelagos, they use a different code for every island (TF for Tenerife, Ma for Majorca, FV for Fuerteventura...).


It's a mess, I know. Anyway, except maybe in Madrid, nobody in Spain uses these codes. For example, in Logroño we say la autopista (AP-68), la circunvalación (LO-20) or la carretera de Soria (N-111). Even in formal brochures of factories or tourist atractions they say "carretera de X, km 5,5" (road to X, km 5.5) or "carretera de X a Y, km 5,5" (road from X to Y, km 5.5). The only exception is when they are located in a national or main road.


To sum up, there are:

-Tolled motorways, "AP-", with white letters over blue background. Example: AP-68

-"Radial" tolled motorways near Madrid, "R-", with white letters over blue background. Example: R-5

-Toll-free motorways, with white letters over blue background. Example: A-67

-Ring roads or access highways, with white letters over blue background. Example: LO-20 (ring road) or BU-11 (access highway)

-National roads, "N-", with white letters over red background. Example: N-111

-First-level regional roads, with black letters over orange background. Example: LR-113

-Second-level regional roads, with white letters over green background. Example: LR-256

-Third-level regional roads, with black letters over yellow background. Example:
Cicerón, thanks again for all this work!
I was just looking at Google Maps and came across several cases of where an autovía apparently downgrades (ceases to be limited-access) and keeps the same number, but in yellow or orange (it's hard to tell). Examples are a piece of the A-7 along the coast between Marbella and Gibraltar, and sections of the A-2, A-5 and A-6 close to central Madrid. What's the status of these? - I don't think they fit into your description. Just curious!
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Cicerón, thanks again for all this work!
I was just looking at Google Maps and came across several cases of where an autovía apparently downgrades (ceases to be limited-access) and keeps the same number, but in yellow or orange (it's hard to tell). Examples are a piece of the A-7 along the coast between Marbella and Gibraltar, and sections of the A-2, A-5 and A-6 close to central Madrid. What's the status of these? - I don't think they fit into your description. Just curious!
You mean these ones?



That's a Google maps thing, it doesn't exist officially.


The A-7 is signed as N-340 in that stretch:

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The A-2 is not even signed, and AFAIK it has always been called Avenida de América, not A-2 (it would be the N-II, if any). That stretch of the A-5, which is quite substandard, has traditionally been signed as N-V, but in 2005 they changed the signs -they are white-on-blue though, not black-on-yellow-. The same with the A-6.
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Old July 25th, 2010, 10:33 PM   #1814
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You mean these ones?That's a Google maps thing, it doesn't exist officially.
That is what I meant. Here I thought Google Maps was pretty good....
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That's a Google maps thing, it doesn't exist officially.

The A-7 is signed as N-340 in that stretch:

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The PK's sign "N-340", but all the other [white] signs sign "A-7".



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LOL, it seems that they put a sticker over the old N-340 marker.

Some good news: Works on the A-1, included in the plan for refurbishing the first-generation autovías. This is a dangerous curve near the village of Cogollos:

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Buenas noticias respecto a la mejora de la A-1 entre Burgos y Lerma.

En Lerma, están mejorando el enlace principal (el que está entre Villalmanzo y Lerma en sentido Burgos-Lerma), a ambos lados. Se dotará de un mejor acceso, creo que rotondas que distribuyan el tráfico y más distancia para incorporaciones/salidas (en una parte creo que se va a añadir un carril de incorporación bastante largo).

Después está la curva de la zona de Cogollos-Valdorros, una de las más peligrosas. Por si alguien se pensaba que iba a ser una mera corrección de trazado o ensanchado de carriles, nada de eso, es en plan bien. He aquí unas fotillos de esta misma tarde:



Como se puede ver, el nuevo trazado será prácticamente recto, ya que el actual es como una curva "chicane".



A ver que hacen con el toro de Osborne.
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The junction in Lerma is also being improved.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 04:46 PM   #1817
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Are they planning to run over the bull?!?
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They should build an ecoduct for that bull
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Some good news: Works on the A-1, included in the plan for refurbishing the first-generation autovías. This is a dangerous curve near the village of Cogollos:

Google Street View

The junction in Lerma is also being improved.
Yeah, but doing those works just when this road reaches its yearly peak of traffic movement it's not the brightest of the ideas, methinks.
Besides, what's wrong with the curves? They are lots of fun


There are also works in Aranda de Duero (but not in the dangerous curves between Milagros and Honrubia de la Cuesta) and south of Somosierra.

So if any of you intend to travel by the A-1 this summer, be prepared to suffer some congestion in those areas (particularly on weekends, as this is one of the main routes from continental Europe to North Africa, and the Spanish traffic authorities have a cavalier attitude about letting combines and wide-loads to drive along at times of heaviest traffic).
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Yeah, they're doing the same in Despeñaperros (A-4). There's only one carriageway available, which is used for both directions by "normal" traffic, tourists going to the Andalusian beaches or returning home, Northern Africans living and working in Europe that visit their countries in summer, and finally the construction machinery used for the new viaducts being built there
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