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Old July 27th, 2010, 12:03 PM   #1821
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Today 17 new km of the A-22 Lérida-Huesca open. 1,5 sections between the brigde over Alcanadre river and Siétamo. So I will put that short section of motorway that continues west from Siétamo exit on the never finished motorways thread
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Old July 27th, 2010, 03:47 PM   #1822
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Today 17 new km of the A-22 Lérida-Huesca open. 1,5 sections between the brigde over Alcanadre river and Siétamo. So I will put that short section of motorway that continues west from Siétamo exit on the never finished motorways
Which sections of A22 from Lerida to Huesca are they going to finish, and which are going to be cancelled?

Google Maps has even put a map of this new section you mentioned (no images).
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Old July 27th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #1823
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No, there's no sections to be cancelled on A-22, neither on A-23 nor A-21. Simply they stop them. (And even 3 sections will be contracted again!). A-22 Siétamo-Huesca isn't under construction yet.
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Old July 27th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #1824
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No, there's no sections to be cancelled on A-22, neither on A-23 nor A-21. Simply they stop them. (And even 3 sections will be contracted again!). A-22 Siétamo-Huesca isn't under construction yet.
Gracias

I will use you as my official sources for road projects in Aragón.

I've never actually driven in the A-22, but on the A-23 and the following national route to Jaca and from them to Pamplona, and also on the two roads leading to France, the N330 via Sumport (on winter) and the N260 via Briescas and two other dams.

You live in the vicinity of some of the most intriguing roadside landscapes I've ever driven in. The mountains north of Huesca are really totally different of everything else. Only bad thing: strong, very strong winds over the ridge north from Huesca.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:36 PM   #1825
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They should build an ecoduct for that bull
Think I read some time ago that the advertisement bulls (of a famous andalusian vineyard) spread all around Spain roads were now cultural heritage of spanish state. That means they have to be protected

...not very convenient for a first post...
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #1826
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Well, they actually represent an important part of Spanish recent history, and they have gained a popularity among Spanish, so why shouldn't they be protected?
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:43 PM   #1827
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Well, they actually represent an important part of Spanish recent history, and they have gained a popularity among Spanish, so why shouldn't they be protected?
Excessive "protection" in many European countries is dragging us behind. Imagine if today's standards were in place when cars came to age in the period between I and II World Wars... we wouldn't be having a thread called highways in first place.

Progress must be in front of preservation of icons people or authorities deem useless or lame (I'm not judging the bull per se, just making a general comment). I'm angry that we spend billions to build some tunnels when a surface cut-and-embankment would do fine technically, just to save a lame 18th Century church or whatever.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #1828
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Well, they actually represent an important part of Spanish recent history, and they have gained a popularity among Spanish, so why shouldn't they be protected?
shame our beloved minister delayed A73 burgos-aguilar de campoo and A8 Solares-Torrelavega. I just came from Santander to Madrid using A67 and it was awesome. And it has intense traffic of trucks.

I think Cantabria has a great potential which finally starts to develop after long-awaited highways came.

Sadly, in Spain some others regions have always had privileges
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #1829
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shame our beloved minister delayed A73 burgos-aguilar de campoo and A8 Solares-Torrelavega. I just came from Santander to Madrid using A67 and it was awesome. And it has intense traffic of trucks.

I think Cantabria has a great potential which finally starts to develop after long-awaited highways came.

Sadly, in Spain some others regions have always had privileges
I could't agree more with your post.

A-67 is an awesome highway, it came late, very late, but it's still awesome.
Nowadays it seems that Cantabria is going to suffer the same situation, with the high speed train.
I hope you enjoyed Santander and Cantabria
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:55 PM   #1830
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Excessive "protection" in many European countries is dragging us behind. Imagine if today's standards were in place when cars came to age in the period between I and II World Wars... we wouldn't be having a thread called highways in first place.

Progress must be in front of preservation of icons people or authorities deem useless or lame (I'm not judging the bull per se, just making a general comment). I'm angry that we spend billions to build some tunnels when a surface cut-and-embankment would do fine technically, just to save a lame 18th Century church or whatever.
I'm not comparing modern advertisements with old antiquities....probably the bulls can be easily moved some meters aside with no damage...and they can be easily repaired as well...

Sure, agree with you.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 08:58 PM   #1831
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In case someone doesn't know what we are talking about:

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Old August 6th, 2010, 03:59 PM   #1832
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A beautiful mountain pass in the road between Burgos and Santander (N-623).







Most of the people nowadays uses the N-627+A-67 though.
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Old August 13th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #1833
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Intensity of state highways and motorways (not the autonomous comunities highways)

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Old August 15th, 2010, 03:14 AM   #1834
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Yeah, they're doing the same in Despeñaperros (A-4). There's only one carriageway available, which is used for both directions by "normal" traffic, tourists going to the Andalusian beaches or returning home, Northern Africans living and working in Europe that visit their countries in summer, and finally the construction machinery used for the new viaducts being built there
I've driven there some weeks ago and when the traffic was very high, they made availlable both carriageways.
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Old August 15th, 2010, 09:39 PM   #1835
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I've driven there some weeks ago and when the traffic was very high, they made availlable both carriageways.
It's a bit different in autovia A-1: now they make available just one carriageway with two narrow lanes south-to-north (so just one lane north to south) on Fridays. They do the opposite on Sundays. In any case, now we have three lanes where there were two lanes and a shoulder.

Unfortunately, the number of sections in which they are doing this has increased
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Old August 15th, 2010, 09:41 PM   #1836
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That is why we have 4 meter shoulders in the Netherlands. Instead of a 3-0 system, you can work with 4-0 and retain full capacity during roadworks.
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Old August 17th, 2010, 08:00 PM   #1837
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Intensity of state highways and motorways (not the autonomous comunities highways)

Man it is from 2003...probably things have changed from then...
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Old August 19th, 2010, 01:57 PM   #1838
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A beautiful mountain pass in the road between Burgos and Santander (N-623).

N-623: does this N mean this is national road?
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Yep, Carretera Nacional.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 03:03 PM   #1840
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Yep, Carretera Nacional.
Exactly.

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