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Old August 19th, 2010, 05:13 PM   #1841
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Exactly.

Whenever you can, avoid them.
Why, are they in bad condition or just because you have to drive slowly?
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Old August 19th, 2010, 05:17 PM   #1842
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Why, are they in bad condition or just because you have to drive slowly?
Usually both, unfortunately
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Old August 19th, 2010, 06:02 PM   #1843
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I don't agree with you. Most of them are OK.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 06:25 PM   #1844
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I don't agree with you. Most of them are OK.
Well, they are OK, I only meant they are far from highways' standards, therefore I think that whenever you can avoid them, you should do so, as logically, highways are quicker and more efficient.

However I also think that it depends on the community we are talking about, for instance in both Castillas I guess, you can achieve to go from one place to another quickly by a national road (even quicker if you use a highway of course).

Nevertheless in other communities, for example in the northern part of the country, unfortunately the situation is not the same.

Finally I think it also depends on the quality of the maintaining work done in each of these roads.

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Old August 19th, 2010, 07:46 PM   #1845
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Well, they are OK, I only meant they are far from highways' standards, therefore I think that whenever you can avoid them, you should do so, as logically, highways are quicker and more efficient.

However I also think that it depends on the community we are talking about, for instance in both Castillas I guess, you can achieve to go from one place to another quickly by a national road (even quicker if you use a highway of course).

Nevertheless in other communities, for example in the northern part of the country, unfortunately the situation is not the same.

Finally I think it also depends on the quality of the maintaining work done in each of these roads.

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Yep, of course highways are much better, but I think National roads fulfill their role pretty well. Lots of them have been upgraded and you can easily go at ~100 km/h.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 08:30 PM   #1846
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I was just gonna say, many Spanish Carreteras Nacionales are among the best designed in Europe. Wide, good alignment and not buried in "traffic calming" or other terminology that actually describe how to destroy a perfectly good road.
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Old August 19th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #1847
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Well I have to say that many of them have been given to the communities, and some of them have done a good job reconstructing them.

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Old August 20th, 2010, 05:40 AM   #1848
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Nowadays the national roads had been relegated to local traffic in most parts of Spain.

People use them to drive to neighboring towns or near motorways.

But a few of them are still used for medium/long trips because there isn't a motorway alternative, or it's longer or it's tolled, or to avoid traffic jams.

For example, a lot of people use national roads on the mediterranean coast to avoid AP-7.

Other example, some friends of me live in a town called Pinto in the South of Madrid next to A-4 and 2 or 3 km away from M-50, my mother's hometown is in the north of Toledo, next to the A-42, for most people the better route to go would be A-42 - M-50 - A-4 - Pinto, but my preferred route is A-42 - M-506 - Pinto, it's about 5 minutes faster (in a ~30 minutes trip) and M-506 is a very good national road (double carriageway, 2x2 lanes).

Some of them are awful and avoidable if possible, but others like M-506 are like "bad" motorways (you can see it on Google Streetview).
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Old August 20th, 2010, 08:56 PM   #1849
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ROFL shoulders on the wrong side of the road.

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Esta noche entra en funcionamiento un nuevo tramo de la autopista C-32, entre Palafolls y Tordera. Son escasos 4,4 kilómetros:











A partir de aquí enlazará con la futura A-2 y con una nueva vía 1+1 hasta Lloret de Mar, de 7 kms.
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Old August 21st, 2010, 12:27 PM   #1850
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Sure they are 3,5 m wide shoulders... a lane width
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Old August 21st, 2010, 04:28 PM   #1851
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ROFL shoulders on the wrong side of the road.
i'm sure you know for this occasion in Italy:



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Old August 21st, 2010, 11:37 PM   #1852
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Yep, of course highways are much better, but I think National roads fulfill their role pretty well. Lots of them have been upgraded and you can easily go at ~100 km/h.
What I whatched on those films was far from driving 100km/h, I am convinced that author drove about 60km/h.
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Old August 21st, 2010, 11:38 PM   #1853
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 12:00 AM   #1854
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I'm sure that road was a vía rápida.
I just returned from Northwestern Spain, and I saw construction of many km of motorways. The two biggest changes from 2008 (Last year I saw those roads) were new sections: A-21 now goes all the way to the Venta de Judas (still Navarre), and A-8 has been extended from Novellana to las Dueñas (On the Cudillero municipality, Asturias). Two years ago I saw the widening of a bridge in the latter section. And the bridge they are building on the Muros de Nalón-Las Dueñas section of A-8 is going to be scaring: It goes just over an existing bridge, and it's sooooo tall... Also the Supersur (Bilbao metropolitan bypass, AP-8) bridge over the A-8 is scaring. It will be 2+2+3 (I believe).
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 01:11 PM   #1855
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Why are those shoulders on the inside?
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 01:42 PM   #1856
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Those really wide shoulders are actually provisions for a 3rd lane.

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And the bridge they are building on the Muros de Nalón-Las Dueñas section of A-8 is going to be scaring: It goes just over an existing bridge, and it's sooooo tall...
110 meters tall. It's a bit shorter than Montabliz bridge, but still like a 40 story-building.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 03:03 PM   #1857
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i'm sure you know for this occasion in Italy:



X-type, that is not an error. If I'm not mistaken this is a section of Torino-Savona where the carriageways actually swap: so on the left of the image the traffic goes northbound, on the right it goes southbound...
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 04:12 PM   #1858
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X-type, that is not an error. If I'm not mistaken this is a section of Torino-Savona where the carriageways actually swap: so on the left of the image the traffic goes northbound, on the right it goes southbound...
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 04:23 PM   #1859
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In fact it is Milano-Genova A7, but the explanation is the same: in a number of instances the two carriageways swap, by means of overpasses, so actually you find yourself driving "à la anglais"
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 07:55 PM   #1860
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What I whatched on those films was far from driving 100km/h, I am convinced that author drove about 60km/h.
What you watched is a truck in a mountain pass, that's not representative of anything.

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Check this:
This is what I meant. Some more examples:

N-111

N-232

N-121

N-320

N-403
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