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Old August 23rd, 2010, 10:19 PM   #1861
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This afternoon I went on the A-22 sections opened in July, so I have the motorway fully clinched (and for the 3rd time since it's opening). The A-22 ends abruptly at km 94 near Siétamo, and the remainder to the E07 aka A-23 it's very unlikely to start construction soon (2012 as sooner possible), so I could put that in the "never finished motorways" thread . I also saw provisions for a service area near Angüés (at km 85, here).
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 10:27 PM   #1862
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X-type, that is not an error. If I'm not mistaken this is a section of Torino-Savona where the carriageways actually swap: so on the left of the image the traffic goes northbound, on the right it goes southbound...
of course, i have just segregated an interesting part to make an illusion
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Old August 30th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #1863
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Today going in bike I saw some signs indicating to E-07. Yes, E-07, with dash (only in Spain will you see dashes even on E routes!) and a never spotted thing: a trailing zero! (BTW, E-07 is signposted as A-23 on the national motorway numbering).

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Old August 30th, 2010, 05:10 PM   #1864
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leading zeros exist on single digit Euroroutes - it's their official number. The Scandinavian ones are throwbacks to the old system, which didn't have them. I'm fairly sure that the E01 is signed as such in Ireland. The UK doesn't sign them, and I don't know what Portugal and France do.
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Old August 30th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #1865
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But we had it signposted as E-7, without the zero. And the official numbering is E07, without dash, but we put dash even on European routes. And the UK should sign them.
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Old August 31st, 2010, 01:00 PM   #1866
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Old August 31st, 2010, 01:09 PM   #1867
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I read somewhere that Cataluña is planning to lower maximum highway speed on its network to 80km/h, and have already done so on the "Ronda del Litoral".

Is that true?
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Old August 31st, 2010, 01:10 PM   #1868
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I don't think so, 80km/h is nothing.
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Old August 31st, 2010, 01:43 PM   #1869
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From my last holidays in Spain!
On my way to Italy I passed through that motorway, but it was night so I didn't saw many things.

PS: Do you can believe I posted the same in Spanish?
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Old August 31st, 2010, 01:44 PM   #1870
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I read somewhere that Cataluña is planning to lower maximum highway speed on its network to 80km/h, and have already done so on the "Ronda del Litoral".

Is that true?


well is true, and not just in Cataluña, most spanish large cities are planning to reduce the maximun speed to 80 or to introduce variable speed limits depending of the traffic, weather and other conditions, but just on the urban motorways such as Ronda Litoral or Ronda de Dalt (B10 and B20). i´ve heard that for example, Seville was also thinking of applying this short of limitations to its main ringroad (SE30).

In fact is not such as big issue since most of these roads are already limited to 90km/h or less.
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Old August 31st, 2010, 01:47 PM   #1871
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well is true, and not just in Cataluña, most spanish large cities are planning to reduce the maximun speed to 80 or to introduce variable speed limits depending of the traffic, weather and other conditions, but just on the urban motorways such as Ronda Litoral or Ronda de Dalt (B10 and B20). i´ve heard that for example, Seville was also thinking of applying this short of limitations to its main ringroad (SE30).

In fact is not such as big issue since most of these roads are already limited to 90km/h or less.
In Cataluña, the speed limit is 80km/h but only when entering Barcelona.
In the rest of Spain, as far as highways are concerned, not only they goverment is not going to reduce the speed limit, but is studying to increase it instead (to 140km/h, on toll highways only).
So, all in all, these reductions only involve urban motorways, and not all of them

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Old August 31st, 2010, 01:53 PM   #1872
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In Cataluña, the speed limit is 80km/h but only when entering Barcelona.
In the rest of Spain, as far as highways are concerned, not only they goverment is not going to reduce the speed limit, but is studying to increase it instead (to 140km/h, on toll highways only).
So, all in all, these reductions only involve urban motorways, and not all of them

Cheers.

and that´s exactly what i´ve said.

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Old August 31st, 2010, 02:06 PM   #1873
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Gracías

I was reading that there was a plan to lower all speed limits to 80km/h to help Cataluña achieve its greenhouse emissions reduction target and to incentive people to shift to the railroads. Of course, I was reading this in a biased blog. Thank you all for getting the facts straights
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Old August 31st, 2010, 10:37 PM   #1874
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I was reading that there was a plan to lower all speed limits to 80km/h to help Cataluña achieve its greenhouse emissions reduction target and to incentive people to shift to the railroads. Of course, I was reading this in a biased blog. Thank you all for getting the facts straights
The speed limits on URBAN non toll motorways on the Barcelona area were reduced to 80 km/h on early 2008 (most of the motorways affected already had 80 or 100 km/h speed limit, but in some small parts they were reduced from 120 km/h) . It is believed by most of the population that the main reason was to increase the amount of money they get out of fines since they put at the same time radars just 1.000 mts apart one from another on all those motorways... and they later (on 2009) put a vaariable speed limit system, mostly used for reducing to 50km-h the speed limit on weekend afternoons (but not on the ones of very urban areas, but just on the less urban ones, on the motorways that previously had a 120 km-h speed limt!!!) ...

On late November there will elections in Catalonia and the center-right moderate independetist opposition is expected to win. They promise to get back the speed limits to the original ones.
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Old September 5th, 2010, 04:30 PM   #1875
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How many stretches of motorways u/c in Spain? Is it true that Spain most building motorways country in Europe?
What about total lengh motorways in Spain? Spain occupies first position in Europe by total lengh motorways.
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Old September 5th, 2010, 05:04 PM   #1876
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I believe Poland have more kilometers of motorways under construction. About stretches, I don't know, there are some without any update. The current lenght of Spanish motorways is 14689 kilometers according to Wikipedia.

In october, the 4.5 missing kilometers between Lascellas and Ponzano on the A-22 will open.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 01:52 AM   #1877
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This is my daily trip to my university (40-50km), here you can see the transition between rural and urban motorway (I've found only 3 differences, landscape, motorway lighting and number of lanes/exits).

I think that some americans are going to notice how a medium-size city (Leganés 200.000 inhabs.) may be structured with roundabouts because it's a very different way that theirs.

And I hope that finally we could understand the difference between autovía and autopista because A-42 is an autovía and M-50 is an autopista. You can notice that in M-50 there is a service lane between exits and entrances, that's because autopistas can't have an entrance 3km or less than the next exit, if that occurs, it must be done by a service lane between the entrance and the next exit or by a service way (in the video, I join the M-50 by a service way that collects 2 entrances to a service lane that ends in the next exit). This is one of the restrictions that doesn't exists on autovías and make autopistas to have a better quality and security.

Also I've highlighted some things of the video which I think that somebody could find interesting like how a speed cam is signposted (there are 3 speed cams on the way, but I've highlighted only one) and how dangerous zones are signposted (I think there are 2 on the video), I have also translated the light signals on the way, it's a bit strange because the Madrid ones were turned off and that's not habitual (maybe they were testing something).



Sorry, I couldn't record on a better quality, I was streaming it over 3G because I haven't a recording device with enought free space for the video. If you like it I can try to record more videos.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #1878
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Great video!

The A-42 is worst than I thought: Only 2 lanes, narrow shoulders, short acceleration/deceleration lanes...

Leganés is as ugly as I thought
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Old September 6th, 2010, 05:32 PM   #1879
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I would eliminate the service lanes requirement for an autopista and merge the autopista concept and the autovia one into a single concept. (I consider A-23 an autopista despite having two exits in less than 1.5 kilometers)
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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:21 AM   #1880
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Check this:
Much better, that's what I like.

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