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Old December 30th, 2010, 01:20 PM   #1961
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Yes, I mean the idea of 1 (one) motorway on a 400 kilometer wide corridor is completely unacceptable as it will ruin the entire Pyreneees.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 01:31 PM   #1962
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Build a railway instead

...don't even try, there are protests even against that.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 05:39 PM   #1963
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Fortunately French central government has a heavier hand that can railroad (pun intended) such environwackos, to a certain extent.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 05:50 PM   #1964
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such nimby groups are apparently growing, two of them particularly (against Lyon-Turin and Stuttgart 21).
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Old December 30th, 2010, 06:14 PM   #1965
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They lack connections with France, though. Construction of a highway link though the Somport pass (connecting Huesca (E) and Pau (F)) is already overdue. Also, they need a highway Lleida-Andorra-Foix.
I really wanted the link through Somport (A-23 to A65), but that won't be built because of enviromental reasons. As for the link through Andorra, I would extend the A-27 from Montblanc via the C-14 road (Paralleling current L-310 that will be renumbered to C-14 soon and cutting through Sanaüja), but one forumer at Spanish subforum said that is not needed. Yet. But I believe the E09 will be motorway soon.
And I have a proposal: I believe the A-2 Alfajarín-Fraga is not needed. When the A-22 is completed (God knows when) there will be an alternate to AP-2 through Huesca (Although is a bit longer), so I would widen the A-23 between Zaragoza and Huesca to 2x3 instead of building the A-2. It's relatively easy, there's only a couple of bridges...
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Old December 30th, 2010, 09:01 PM   #1966
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I would remove the AP-2 tolls between Zaragoza (Alfajarín) and Fraga, and then, maybe, widen it to 2x3.
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Old January 1st, 2011, 01:59 PM   #1967
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Data of MA-40 Hiperronda de Málaga for OpenStreetMap

hi !

the ma-40 in malaga is open and i add the motorway appoxi - did anybody take gps-tracks of the way by himself and can spend the data for openstreetmap?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36...om=13&layers=M

additional i am interesseted of photos of start, end, salidas and the informationstable???

regards Jan :-)
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Old January 1st, 2011, 07:03 PM   #1968
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Hiperronda is going to be part of A-7 , while current A-7 will be renumbered to MA-30 or something like that.
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 05:45 PM   #1969
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1,730 deaths in 2010 in Spain. That's about 36.8 per million.

Year | Deaths

1992: 5,035
1993: 4,653
1994: 4,026
1995: 4,220
1996: 3,998
1997: 4,034
1998: 4,289
1999: 4,280
2000: 4,295
2002: 4,026
2003: 4,029
2004: 3,511
2005: 3,332
2006: 3,017
2007: 2,742
2008: 2,181
2009: 1,903
2010: 1,730
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 05:56 PM   #1970
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Only in autopistas/autovias or in the whole road network?
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 06:03 PM   #1971
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In the whole road network. In fact, most accidents occur in "normal" roads.
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 06:37 PM   #1972
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I asked because 1730 casualties seem a low figure. Italy, with 1.5 times Spain's population (and fewer roads due to being smaller) had 2521 deaths in 2009 (I don't know the figures for 2010, but projections made in September foresaw a slight increase).

EDIT: Figures for 2010 just came out, there were 2444 deaths on the roads (-3% with respect to 2009).

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Old January 4th, 2011, 12:30 AM   #1973
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Are you implying that we are building too many roads?
Nono, just go ahead, I bet the rest of Europe doesn't mind paying for it.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 02:18 PM   #1974
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That's a nice reduction. Has there been any studies into what caused it? I'm assuming Spain's heavy investment in infrastructure has at least something to do with it.. Might be a very useful example to show that better roads have very tangible benefits that trump the NIMBYist ones.
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Nono, just go ahead, I bet the rest of Europe doesn't mind paying for it.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #1975
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Spain received € 110 billions since they entered EEC/EU, which made all those massive investments possible. It was about time that these figures are reduced.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 05:17 PM   #1976
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Hi - I've been trying to figure out the routings of the international E roads along the motorways of Spain by using Google Maps Street View. Some of the routes aren't clear or seem to follow two paths, and I'm wondering which path is correct. The photos from Street View are probably 1-2 years old, so possibly there have been changes since they were taken.

E-1:
East of A Coruna, there's a 3-way AP-9 intersection. E-1 seems to follow all three directions. Has Spain decided to add a second E-1 toward Ferrol in addition to the one that goes to A Coruna as the official route log says?

In which order were the A Coruna and Ferrol branches of AP-9 built? It seems odd to have AP-9 run in 3 directions instead of 2, and the A Coruna branch seems like a reasonable routing for an AP-6 instead of AP-9.

E-5, E-90, and E-901 near Madrid:
How does E-5 get from one side of Madrid to the other? Signs on A-1 and A-4 have it running further toward the city than the M-40 bypass, but then the signs vanish until they reappear on the other side. A connection through the city isn't clear.

E-90 shows a similar case to E-5. The route is signed on both A-2 and A-5 inside M-40 with no signed connection in between.

But then on M-40's inner loop just south of A-3, there is a big blue sign declaring the road to be E-5/E-90/M-40 with "Red de Carreteras del Estado" at the top, but otherwise there's only one other sign showing E-90 or E-5 on M-40, as if it is an afterthought. The E-5 and E-90 signs on A-1 & A-4 and A-2 & A-5 are plentiful and even appear on km posts inside E-40.

That one other sign is on M-40's outer loop just east of A-4. It's a similar "Red de..." big blue sign declaring the road to be E-5/E-90/E-901/M-40. So now E-901 appears on the outer loop but not the inner loop.

But A-3 inside M-40 is well signed as E-901, too. Ultimately, I'm wondering if these three E roads used to run into the city, maybe to its center or onto M-30, but later got moved to M-40 to bypass the city. Maybe I'm seeing a mix of old and new signs?

E-5 and E-80 between Donastia-San Sabastien and Vitoria-Gasteiz:
Were these routes changed with the opening of AP-1 near Vitoria-Gasteiz? I found signs putting E-5/E-80 on N-I and A-1, and also on AP-1 and N-622. There are also signs for each route that lack the E roads when one might expect them to appear. IS N-I & A-1 an old routing and AP-1 & N-622 is the current routing?

Also, with AP-1 now completed near Vitoria-Gasteiz and also on the Donastia bypass, have those pieces been connected as one long piece by co-signing AP-1 on a large part of AP-8? I've heard that along with the opening of the Donastia bypass, a long section of the A-8 has been renumbered as AP-8 to incidate its autopista de peaje status. Was that renumbering used as an opportunity to extend AP-1 to the French border so that there is a reason the Donastia bypass is co-signed as AP-1?

Is a timetable set for updating the Basque N-I motorway designations as A-1 to make a continuous designation from Vitoria-Gasteiz to Donastia? Would N-622 between AP-68 and N-I ever get an A- number, too?

E-90 in Barcelona:
Signs suggest two possible routings into Barcelona. From AP-2 entering the west side of the city, does E-90 follow B-23 to end at B-20, or does it follow A-2 and B-10 to some point where it just ends?
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Old January 4th, 2011, 05:33 PM   #1977
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E01 is signed to all three directions. However, the only official one is the one going to Corunna. E07 is only to Zaragoza, but they have signed down to kmpost 251 of A-23, like French, that have signed E07 on A65 but is not part of it. Euroroutes through Madrid go on the East M-40. However, the E901 only starts at the A-3/M-40 interchange. About E05 and E80, I believe they go now on the AP-1, which have been signed on the 2nd San Sebastián Bypass with AP-8, but neither on Elgoibar-Lasarte nor Pasaia-French border sections. The N-I is going to be renumbered A-1. At least in Álava (Where I even saw a kmpost!), don't know in Guipúzcoa... Remember to put that on the Highway Browser
About E90 in Barcelona, it ends at exit 21 of B-10 (at the side of the Ferry terminal) and jumps to Mazzara del Vallo in Italy.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 08:48 PM   #1978
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This is a Spanish signage question.

I thought that there weren't any green directional signs in Spain, but I found this:

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Old January 4th, 2011, 08:56 PM   #1979
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Green signs are used in the Barcelona region and were used on the Vía Rápida.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #1980
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Spain received € 110 billions since they entered EEC/EU, which made all those massive investments possible. It was about time that these figures are reduced.
Sure, but nowadays "going ahead" wouldn't imply "Europe paying for it".
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