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Old June 2nd, 2008, 10:38 PM   #221
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One thing to take into account, however, is that the Greater Frankfurt area has a stagnating population, whereas Paris and London have rapidly increasing populations, so logically there should be much less demand for new buildings in Frankfurt than in Paris and London in the coming years.

In the 5 years from Jan. 2002 to Jan. 2007 (mid-2001 to mid-2006 for London), these are the population increase that were registered in these three metro areas (definitions I'm using here: Paris = Paris LUZ, i.e. Île-de-France; London = London LUZ, i.e. Greater London + 42 districts around Greater London; Frankfurt = Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt):
- Paris: +401,000 inhabitants over these 5 years, i.e. a total increase of +3.6%
- London: +290,300, i.e. +2.5%
- Frankfurt: +26,054, i.e. +0,7%

Another interesting thing to consider is the increase in the number of jobs. I have this info for London and Paris, but not for Frankfurt. If you can find the info for Frankfurt, it would be great to compare. Ideally, if you can find the difference between the number of jobs in the Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt in 2007 and the number of jobs in the Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt in 2002 (not to be confused with people in employment... what we need is not how many residents of Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt are in employment, but how many people actually work in Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt). So if you can find that info let me know...

That would mean 6 new skyscrapers between 2011 and 2015. That seems highly unlikely.

For Paris I'd say there is a reasonable chance to have between 8 and 11 new towers higher than 150 meters by 2015 (8 without Signal Tower and the Hermitage Twin Towers, 11 if they are built). So in total that would be 22 to 25 towers higher than 150 meters by 2015. Four more (two at Neuilly Bridge, one in Issy, and one at Levallois bridge) are still hypothetical (i.e. they are being talked about, without anything definite at this stage).

For London I have no clue given that so many projects look uncertain now. We should ask Jeff and Wjfox for a most pessimistic and most optimistic estimate. Lol.
Oh yes, Mumbai, Karachi, Lagos, Sao Paulo and Shanghai envy Paris's and London's brreathtaking demographic increasement!!!!
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 11:00 PM   #222
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We're talking about Europe here, not about the rest of the world. For Europe the population growth in London and Paris (as well as Madrid, Toulouse, Dublin, and a few others) is quite brisk.

@Rohne: for the south of Hesse, official figures from Destatis show population growing extremely slowly, i.e. almost a stagnation. In fact in 2006 the Regierungsbezirk Darmstadt even lost inhabitants (5,218 inhabitants lost). For 2007, figures have not been published yet.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 11:24 PM   #223
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Damn, this is so ******* off-topic in a "Projects & Construction" thread......WAYNE?
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 12:25 AM   #224
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brisavoine should be professor of 'demographics', special field 'german depopulation'

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Old June 3rd, 2008, 12:42 PM   #225
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Not only "German de-population" but also "German Economic de-crease", "German de-cay", "Germany de-otherthings"
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 02:25 PM   #226
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I am surprised you ask this having a city like Makati full of gorgeous skyscrapers!!!
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 02:38 PM   #227
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I think he is refering on the terminus "de-population"!

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Old June 3rd, 2008, 02:45 PM   #228
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 03:27 PM   #229
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Hmmm.... let`s talk about population

Frankfurt has around 700.000 people and has 9 towers over 150m
London has ten times more people and has only 10 towers over 150m

But Frankfurt has 2 towers that are taller than the tallest in London.

My conclusion.... population is not that important.



I am always a little bit pessimistic. I will only celebrate when they start with the construction. That way i will not be dissapointed.
On weekend i try to go to Frankfurt again and i will make an update.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 03:36 PM   #230
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Not only "German de-population" but also "German Economic de-crease", "German de-cay", "Germany de-otherthings"
Haha! Good post. And you're soo right.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 04:33 PM   #231
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guys, please back to topic!!!!!!
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 05:47 PM   #232
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Hmmm.... let`s talk about population

Frankfurt has around 700.000 people and has 9 towers over 150m
London has ten times more people and has only 10 towers over 150m

But Frankfurt has 2 towers that are taller than the tallest in London.

My conclusion.... population is not that important.



I am always a little bit pessimistic. I will only celebrate when they start with the construction. That way i will not be dissapointed.
On weekend i try to go to Frankfurt again and i will make an update.
frankfurt has 10 towers over 150, and london has 9 - it's the other way round
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frankfurt has 10 towers over 150, and london has 9 - it's the other way round
No, London has ten, including the new Broadgate tower at 165m which is almost complete. I'd say it counts as a tower.
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 10:25 PM   #234
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No, London has ten, including the new Broadgate tower at 165m which is almost complete. I'd say it counts as a tower.
I was only speaking about completed towers, although I guess you could count that broadgate tower, which is as good as finished.
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Old June 4th, 2008, 12:33 AM   #235
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Hmmm.... let`s talk about population

Frankfurt has around 700.000 people and has 9 towers over 150m
London has ten times more people and has only 10 towers over 150m

But Frankfurt has 2 towers that are taller than the tallest in London.

My conclusion.... population is not that important.
No, what it means is that "City Proper" populations are irrelevant. A city is more than the sum of it's political boundary, and in today's economy it is effectively a sum of it's commutable catchment area. Otherwise known as the metropolitan area.

This is why say Perth in Australia which has a population of 11,000 and yet a very impressive skyline. This is not the skyline of a village of 11,000 but a metropolitan area of 1.5million.

There are plenty of other contributing factors. History and culture being one, which is why Europe lags behind the rest of the world in skyscrapers (and also why places like Frankfurt and Rotterdam leaped ahead in Europe due to WWII damage). The cities importance within a nation is also a major contributing factor as is the number of nearby cities competing for business which can dilute or spread out the number of large businesses that would use skyscrapers. Lack of land is also another major factor which is why cities like New York (island) and Hong Kong (crammed between steep hills and water) were forefronts of skyscraper developments. As well as smaller cities like Wellington, Vancouver and even Monaco.

But "city proper" population has absolutely nothing to do with this.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 03:10 PM   #236
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new 230m tower

some news:

DZ bank wants to erect a 230m tower - their third in town, between the cityhaus tower and the westendstrasse 1 tower. the bank wants to concentrate almost 5000 mainly new employees but also current employees from all over germany in this tower.

the union tower, which is also being occupied by them is going to be converted into apartments - if the plan gets approved.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 08:41 PM   #237
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i am sure it is going to be approved, many new jobs, a new apartement tower, even the greens cannot say nay in this matter.
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Old June 7th, 2008, 09:11 PM   #238
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i wouldn't be so sure, according to an article from today the DZ bank is NOT allowed to build a tower on that plot
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Old June 7th, 2008, 09:17 PM   #239
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Look at the past, u will realize that many projects never supposed to built at all came along.
In articles concerning this matter they ALSO say that they will still talk after the summer break in the Magistrat.
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Yes, and as a result of the talks it will be shortened by 10m and is still good with 220m,...
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