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Old September 13th, 2008, 01:40 PM   #301
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nice views

Frankfurt is going to be crazy once again...after a long time concerning Highrise construction.
These projects have started already or will start 2009 or are already under construction.

Under Construction:
Tower 185 (185m)
Opernturm (170m)
Palaisquartier Office Tower (136m)
Palaisquartier Hotel Tower (99m)
KFW Westarkade (59m)
Airrail Center (600m long and about 46 m tall)

On Hold:
EZB-Skytower (185m, with Antenna 220m)
Construction will go on soon presumebly soon, at least in 2009

Construction Start in 2009
Grand Hyatt Hotel Tower (165m)
Formerly Kaiserkarree (150+m)
Maintor first part (60m Tower first, than a second 60m and finally a 100m Tower)
Bahn Tower (210m, eventually....)

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Old September 13th, 2008, 02:36 PM   #302
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btw you forgot the 150+ m project next to the Japan-Center, former known as "Kaiserkarree"
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Old September 13th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #303
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yes u are right, thankyou!
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Old September 13th, 2008, 04:55 PM   #304
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Nice Pics, Justme!

The new towers - T185, Grand Hyatt and Bahntower - will all appear ouside the left margin of your pics, but with a very massive density. Can't see the objections of some members against this location. In many views it will be a real addition to Frankfurts skyline.

Another huge project hasn't been mentioned so far in the international part of this forum. There is still some fuzz around it, but I have no doubt that it will be built as there are reated about 4800 almost new jobs and other benefits for the city of Frankfurt, and, the investor - DG Bank - really wants to start asap.

When looking Justme's pics and newfvgffm list it popped up immediatly as it would fill perfectly the gap between the two DG Bank towers (City HH and Westendstr. 1). It would be the third tower tower for DG Bank at their ground, targeted height is 230 Meters. The bank wants to concentrate jobs from all over the country in addition to a lot of new jobs in order to increase their business activities. The Union Invest Tower - illuminated blue in the last pic - will then be converted to a residential only.
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Old September 14th, 2008, 12:29 AM   #305
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230m for DG Bank? I wonder if this one gets approved ..
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Old September 14th, 2008, 02:19 AM   #306
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230m for DG Bank? I wonder if this one gets approved ..
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Old September 14th, 2008, 10:42 AM   #307
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yeh, i bet they'll build their tower with 230m
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Old September 14th, 2008, 02:46 PM   #308
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yeh, i bet they'll build their tower with 230m
what does you make so confident?
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Old September 14th, 2008, 03:58 PM   #309
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It is hard to say, what will come out.

When this location was requested for the masterplan, the above details where not told. Everybody was assuming a trick to save a potential place in the plan and to increase the grounds value, especially as DG Bank came with their request in the very last minute. Nobody expected the tower being build in near future and certainly not for own use. So it was rejected for the master plan. Also there were objections in terms of the towers shadow thrown on the city district behind.

After that DG Bank unveiled above plans, Mckler made a first mass study and also it was examinated that the shadow would only affected something like 36-40 residential buildings for about 20 minutes a day. The huge number of new working places and also some other goodies as a lot of new appartments should be a very good argument and give a new view on this project. Not forgetting the additional taxes for the city, they will compensate twice those lost for Deutsche Brse moved out to Eschborn. And of course 230 Meters are not a lot compared to the space needed for 4800 employees.

So this is what makes me a bit confident... Let's keep fingers crossed!
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DG Bank should offer something more than just jobs ...

the opposition of the green party against the 210m bahn tower at the central station fell after it was agreed to create a new park in the eastern harbour ...
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Old September 15th, 2008, 03:00 AM   #311
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they offered much more then "just" thousands of jobs(which would otherwise go to eschborn or somewhere else..) 10.000sqm appartements and a kindergarden in the basement of the highrise+ 15.000sqm in the union tower, plus extension of the bettinastreet to the mainzerlandstrae.
against this stands: 36 to 40 buildings that would be shadowed for about 20minutes at a time during 11am to 15pm in autumn and spring.
this should be a clear thing to go..
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Old September 15th, 2008, 04:43 AM   #312
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I am very positive that they will finally allow this tower. 4000 jobs are very important. Especially in the light of the Commerzbank/Dresdner Bank fusion which might involve massive job cuts. Furthermore, low tax Eschborn is just around the corner (thank you Eschborn for giving Frankfurt's politicians some pressure).
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Old September 15th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #313
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230m for DG Bank? I wonder if this one gets approved ..
It has already been rejected!
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they offered much more then "just" thousands of jobs(which would otherwise go to eschborn or somewhere else..) 10.000sqm appartements and a kindergarden in the basement of the highrise+ 15.000sqm in the union tower, plus extension of the bettinastreet to the mainzerlandstrae.
against this stands: 36 to 40 buildings that would be shadowed for about 20minutes at a time during 11am to 15pm in autumn and spring.
this should be a clear thing to go..
offering appartments isn't something special - every developer is offering appartments, because it's a requirement. the only real gift and opportunity is the extension of bettinastrasse, but is it really as attractive as a park or a bus terminal ...
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Old September 15th, 2008, 12:46 PM   #315
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offering appartments isn't something special - every developer is offering appartments, because it's a requirement. the only real gift and opportunity is the extension of bettinastrasse, but is it really as attractive as a park or a bus terminal ...
It is a big deal for Frankfurt. Inner city apartments is something this city still lacks. Most highrises in the city are office space only. For this reason the city becomes rather dead once the shops close. It has taken a while for Frankfurt to catch up with the rest of the world and start putting apartments in new highrise developments.
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Old September 15th, 2008, 01:04 PM   #316
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the thing is ... these appartments won't get built in the city center and certainly not as part of the tower itself. the developer is required to provide appartments somewhere in the area - in the case of DG Bank there are plans to provide them in the converted Union Investment Tower - but that's not certain yet. they're probably going to be built in the european quarter instead ...
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Old September 15th, 2008, 01:37 PM   #317
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That's a pity and then quite pointless. Although the Union Investment tower would be considered inner city, it's too fat to be functional apartments. The inner sections or rooms would be too far from the windows for natural light.
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Old September 15th, 2008, 01:47 PM   #318
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every little attempt to establish highrise living in frankfurt has been extinguished quickly - mainly because the investors earn more with office space, but also due to regulations and recently due to issues with overshadowing and ... protection of views of rich people living in highrise appartments (!) - the two appartment towers at the site of the turm palast cinema have been cut to a single one - the height was cut too. official reason: they didn't want to obstruct the skyline views from the neighouring skylight residential tower (lol) ...
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Old September 15th, 2008, 02:44 PM   #319
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That's amazing stuff. When you say the two apartment towers at the site of the turm palast, do you mean they will demolish the turm palast, or will it be next to it?
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Old September 15th, 2008, 10:14 PM   #320
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the lease for turm palast expires in 2010 - the entire block is set for redevelopment. the residential tower will be built opposite the skylight tower. I don't know what will replace the turm palast - probably something similar to the new MAB development across the street at the former Frankfurter Rundschau site.
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