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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:35 AM   #361
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good idea, though the model is not absolutely correct, Kaiserkarree has its old design, still Max on it, i guess they put all models of the highrise development plan on it, even if a realisation is uncertain of some projects.
Anyway, the model shows good the development of FRankfurts future, though it could have been better. The heights of many existing buildings are not accurate, and the city counsil paid a lot for the creation of that model, i would want my money back , even the heights of some new projects like bahntower are NOT accurate, the tower at the campanile spot is about 180m as in the HRDP, not as 210m like vivico wnats to buidl for the DB.
As i read, visitors at the expo have been a little bit angry because of a lack of information concerning many projects in frankfurt.

The single towers can be highlighted on a guidance table and on a little desktop there popping out some infos cercerning the projects: BUT: On most projects they only could read:
There is no further information about that project, so very dissapointing:


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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:41 AM   #362
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thanks. what is this tall (160m?) tower next to the old post tower? bit tall for what is actually planned there ...

I just realized the model has been cut a bit. you don't see the marriott tower, also the bockenheim campus development isn't on the model...also no westhafen tower, no ECB tower ..
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:43 AM   #363
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In other forums we are also quite surprised about that one, looks quite good, could be a new entrance to the city perhaps a new development we don't know something about yet...

too bad that they shortened winx tower so much, 120-130m would have been much better, also the apartment highrises could have been taller at the zeil...just little stumps like this
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:45 AM   #364
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Great! But isn't it some kind of weird to include the Max Tower which was burried officially by Deutsche Bank and leave out Marieninsel? I would like to know which ones are those between Bahntower and the Hotel in Skyline Plaza.
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oh an no little tower next to FBC and no 230m DZ bank...
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:47 AM   #366
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Max is not burried officially. as is said earlier they put all projects af the old Highrise plan in there too.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:48 AM   #367
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Great! But isn't it some kind of weird to include the Max Tower which was burried officially by Deutsche Bank and leave out Marieninsel? I would like to know which ones are those between Bahntower and the Hotel in Skyline Plaza.
there has been no such announcement. officially deutsche bank has put this on ice. many towers that are u/c now, were put on ice for a while ...

I'm not quite sure, but it looks like marieninsel is there - trianon must be behind it. the tower is certainly taller than trianon ...
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:53 AM   #368
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They offered Max to ECB. But they got their own plans to built in Eastern FFM and so Deutsche Bank tried unsuccessfully to offer it to to other potential firms that were not interested.

Bei der Deutschen Bank gibt es auf Konzernebene widersprchliche Aussagen zum Bau eines 200 Meter hohen Brogebudes in der Frankfurter Innenstadt. Die Immobilien-Tochter DGI bestreitet den Stopp des Bauvorhabens.

Aus Immobilienkreisen erfuhr der Financial Times Deutschland, die Deutsche Bank habe das so genannte Max-Hochhaus bereits vor dem 11. September vom Markt genommen. Ein Sprecher der Deutschen Bank besttigte auf Anfrage, das Projekt liege "auf Eis". Rentabilittsuntersuchungen htten ergeben, dass der Bau des Max-Hochhauses die ursprnglichen Renditeerwartungen nicht erfllen werde, sagte der Sprecher.

Die mit den Planungen sowie der Ausfhrung beauftragte Immobilientochter der Deutschen Bank, die Deutsche Grundbesitz Invest (DGI) bestritt die 훧erungen des Deutsche-Bank-Sprechers gegenber der FTD vehement. Ein entsprechender Bebauungsplan sei aufgelegt, sagte ein Sprecher. Die Gesellschaft halte an dem fr das Jahr 2003 anberaumten Termin fr den ersten Spatenstich fest.


Das Max-Hochhaus soll an der Stelle des jetzigen Hndlerzentrums der Deutschen Bank errichtet werden. Die Hndler sollen bis 2003 in ein neues Gebude umziehen, das zurzeit an der Theodor-Heuss-Allee gegenber der Messe errichtet wird.


Ursprnglich sollte das Max-Hochhaus der Europischen Zentralbank (EZB) angeboten werden. Da die EZB jedoch im Frankfurter Osten auf dem Gelnder der Gromarkthalle nun selbst baut, wird das Gebude anderen potenziellen Mietern angeboten.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 11:57 AM   #369
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there has been no such announcement. officially deutsche bank has put this on ice. many towers that are u/c now, were put on ice for a while ...

I'm not quite sure, but it looks like marieninsel is there - trianon must be behind it. the tower is certainly taller than trianon ...
You are right. On the bigger version you see a small edge of Trianon appearing on the right side of Marieninsel. Kaiserkarre is not with it's new height yet. This may be because they haven't shown a new design for it. I want to see the designs for new Kaiserkarree, Bahntower and Grand Hyatt Skyline Plaza! When will they be published?
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Old October 10th, 2008, 12:24 PM   #370
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what the article basically says is that db is trying to market the tower for potential investors -> that doesn't mean, it's dead - db just doesn't want to build it itself
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Old October 10th, 2008, 12:30 PM   #371
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what the article basically says is that db is trying to market the tower for potential investors -> that doesn't mean, it's dead - db just doesn't want to build it itself
But this article is very old. And since then I have never heard about any efforts to bring Max forward.
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Old October 10th, 2008, 12:37 PM   #372
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db will make a lot of money (money that already appears on their balance sheets), if they sell this site with the permission for a 228m tall tower - sooner or later this will come, like pretty much every other project so far. this will probably come later, but who cares ... there are not many potential skyscraper sites in the banking district - this one is a prime site. what we see now is how systematically all sites from the masterplan of 98 are being developed. I guess one of the developers will buy the site and erect the tower. look what tishman speyer is doing in frankfurt: they're buying one site after another - messeturm, opernturm, kaiserkarree ... why not max after this ...

only because there is no news, it doesn't mean nothing is happening. opernturm came out of nowhere. same goes for T185, the bahntower, etc ... there was no news, despite months long negotiations ....
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Old October 10th, 2008, 12:44 PM   #373
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That is true. I hope this will be built. Max makes this cluster looking super dense and tall! Along with Marieninsel and 230m DZ-Bank, PwC-Tower, Kaiserkarree and Skyline Plaza it will densen a lot the the skyline.
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Old October 22nd, 2008, 09:06 PM   #374
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Another skyscraper for Frankfurt!

DZ-Bank tower will come! Yesterday evening CDU and Green party agreed to the plans and will allow a height of 175 meters.

Here the newspapar article (in German).
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Old October 22nd, 2008, 09:58 PM   #375
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, not 230m but at least a tower...and still 175m
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Old October 22nd, 2008, 10:09 PM   #376
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The major point is that it has been approved for planning, the green party is putting the economical importance over their other objections - this is really amazing! The height will probably turn out a bit more at the end as usual in Frankfurt.
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 05:06 PM   #377
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hm... good news, although 175m (or maybe 185 with technical floors etc) are far too low for this location... like marieninsel 230m+ would be necessary there to make a great impact on the skyline... but looks like frankfurts politicians only want to have a 150-200m skyline that looks like shit..
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 05:12 PM   #378
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I realy have to visited Frankfurt once. I like it because it has many tall towers! But it can also use some less tall ones to make it more dense!
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ok, 230m would have been great, but 175m that were not in the masterplan, is fantastic.

it will create a nice step from the 143m tall cityhaus to the 208m tall westendstrasse 1 ...
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Old October 26th, 2008, 01:11 AM   #380
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maybe they announced 230m first, to get the 175m they really wanted to begin as they thought the city's administration would cut it anyway at this place near the Westend residental area
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