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Old March 12th, 2008, 12:29 AM   #141
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Stop this mindless discussion please.

Would rather like to hear your opinion 'bout the reconstruction project
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Old March 12th, 2008, 04:05 PM   #142
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All that vengeance stuff aside,it is a subject matter worth discussing because the carpet bombing did and still does has a big impact on construction in Frankfurt.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 06:51 PM   #143
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there is thread for this (not only about frankfurt, but for other german cities bombed during ww2). this thread is about projects in frankfurt
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Old March 12th, 2008, 07:03 PM   #144
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i think its a great idea rebuilding the lost urban fabric of Frankfurt. It will make the streets more warm and friendly. Imagine looking out over the skyline of the city and seeing the huge glassy towers contrast beutifully with the pretty gables and piched roofs of the rebuilt old town- oh yeah
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Old March 12th, 2008, 07:16 PM   #145
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Victors have never committed and will never commit war crimes.
I'm not saying two wrongs equal a right, but there are so many defeated powers out there that are far from admitting any or only limited amounts of wrongdoings in wars passed (i.e., Japan, Turkey, Serbia). Plus, Germany has hardly suffered under the post war arrangements of the victors (i.e., Marshall Plan, Bretton Woods, etc.) or the Nuremberg Trials. The most important thing is to learn from/avoid past mistakes and Europe has done so in an impressive way (hence the past 60 years have been Europe's most peaceful/prosperous to date).

That's all the politics from me. Now back to Projects & Construction. Hopefully, Frankfurt will ride the current economic upswing in Europe to update its sometimes shabby post-war look.
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Old March 13th, 2008, 06:06 AM   #146
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Stdel museum extension looks great from above. Very pleasant museum like most of the museums in Germany. Loved the Renoir and Vermeer. Astonishing collection. Congrats Frankfurt!
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Old March 13th, 2008, 04:39 PM   #147
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I'm not saying two wrongs equal a right, but there are so many defeated powers out there that are far from admitting any or only limited amounts of wrongdoings in wars passed (i.e., Japan, Turkey, Serbia). Plus, Germany has hardly suffered under the post war arrangements of the victors (i.e., Marshall Plan, Bretton Woods, etc.) or the Nuremberg Trials. The most important thing is to learn from/avoid past mistakes and Europe has done so in an impressive way (hence the past 60 years have been Europe's most peaceful/prosperous to date).
That's just partly true. There's still one Germany that suffered a lot and still suffers from the aftermath of WWII.
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Old March 13th, 2008, 05:39 PM   #148
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That's just partly true. There's still one Germany that suffered a lot and still suffers from the aftermath of WWII.
I am assuming you mean Eastern Germany by this? Well, given the many alternatives, the way German reunification has come about is actually one of the biggest successes / if not the biggest success story of German history. Yes, there are many unsolved problems (especially unemployment and infrastructure deficits) but, all in all, places like Berlin, Dresden and Leipzig are doing quite well for themselves.

Also, unlike Germany, think about the many countries that were VICTIMS (meaning not the originators) of WWII like Poland or the Czech Republic that not only suffered the Nazi but also the Communist regimes. It is no wonder that Poland still has an ambivalent relationship with its next-door neighbor (this will change to the better though).
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Old March 13th, 2008, 07:20 PM   #149
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Stop this political discussion in this thread!!!

Concerning the reconstruction of the old town: yes, they shall rebuild all 50 timberframe houses of this small area of the Technisches Rathaus. And of course, in the future further important buildings or even ensembles if they have the opportunity. Not only in the Altstadt but also buildings like the Schauspielhaus or those around the central station (ie Schumanntheater).
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UEC (Skyline Plaza) - Construction start

Finally: The Urban Entertainment Center at the trade fair (near Messeturm) is going to be built! They're about to start construction works in autumn 2008.


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Stop this political discussion in this thread!!!
Ditto. It's not neccessary to talk about victims and aggressors or whatever of WW2 here. If you're interested in this issue, start a new thread or discuss elsewhere!


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Concerning the reconstruction of the old town: yes, they shall rebuild all 50 timberframe houses of this small area of the Technisches Rathaus.
Absolutely. I hope they'll reconstruct the most important ones and only add adapted new buildings at least. A complete reconstruction of the quarter isn't quite realistic and shouldn't be the purpose - this could backfire, you know that

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And of course, in the future further important buildings or even ensembles if they have the opportunity. Not only in the Altstadt but also buildings like the Schauspielhaus or those around the central station (ie Schumanntheater).
Agreed again. The Schauspielhaus and the Schumanntheater really are sad losses - especially considering they haven't been that destroyed after WW2 bombing raids. Just take a look at the Schumanntheater in the 50s (it has been demolished in 1960 - would have been a rather easy renovation). It was used by the US-military as a restaurant and club then.

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Finally: The Urban Entertainment Center at the trade fair (near Messeturm) is going to be built! They're about to start construction works in autumn 2008.
great news!
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Old March 13th, 2008, 09:48 PM   #152
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but i guess this does not include the office tower or?
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Old March 13th, 2008, 10:16 PM   #153
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no. it's just the shopping and congress center plus the hyatt hotel tower. the office tower for pricewaterhouse coopers is linked to this project though.
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Old March 13th, 2008, 10:19 PM   #154
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Old March 15th, 2008, 04:49 PM   #155
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A complete reconstruction of the quarter isn't quite realistic and shouldn't be the purpose - this could backfire, you know that
How so ?
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Old April 18th, 2008, 04:30 PM   #156
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bad news out of frankfurt, finally the discussion about the highrise developement plan in the city parliament has come to a close.

For many years Allianz Insurance has planned a little skyscraper at about a height of 90m, located between the double deutsche bank towers and the opera tower site and always received good chances out of the city-parliament.
Though, the company always wanted to build a 170m Tower at the place.
The chances for 170m have been always very bad due to the shadows of the planned towers, which would fall directly onto the Opera Square.
But now, the City Government decided that there will be no tower at all.

The announced 3rd Tower for the DZ Bank, 200m, will not be in the plan as well, nobody can understand this decision.

The Tower to be built at the site beside the main station, formally known as Campanile, will be allowed to be only 100m high, the architect responsible for the plan wanted it to be 160m high.

There will be only apartement Highrise at the Eschersheimer Tor, there were planned up to 3 apartement Towers, which would have been something new for frankfurt.

Sad news.
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Old April 18th, 2008, 04:59 PM   #157
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There will be only apartement Highrise at the Eschersheimer Tor, there were planned up to 3 apartement Towers, which would have been something new for frankfurt.

Sad news.
Thanks for your information, though sad news. I don뭪 understand this last point. Will there be no apartment towers, lower apartment towers or less?
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Old April 18th, 2008, 05:43 PM   #158
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such a ****** city, **** democracy.
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Old April 19th, 2008, 04:06 PM   #159
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Thanks for your information, though sad news. I don뭪 understand this last point. Will there be no apartment towers, lower apartment towers or less?
there will be one, looking at the new plan.

Further bad news:
The greens laso are responsible that the planned Maireninsel (250m) will be built under 200m due to shadow...which is crazy because the tower is planned in the Bankenviertel.

Frankfurt is on the way to build only 150m towers in the future and will end up in nothing more than: mediocrity.

Thanks to the greens, against everything.
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