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Old June 16th, 2010, 02:26 PM   #61
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All deals on this scale involve political considerations. Nonetheless, the amount of Anti-China rhetoric here is surprising. Whilst Chinese industrial safety regulations are below western ones in some respects, it should be borne in mind that manufactures all across the world are used to working with different regulations for different markets. Take American cars for example. Ford builds cars for the US market that are totally different to some models it sells in Europe as we have different safety and environmental regulations, and the same is true for European manufacturers selling in the US. Manufactures just localise the goods they produce and the Chinese do the same. For all this talk about how dangerous Chinese goods are, a myriad of them are exported legally the US, Europe and elsewhere in Asia every year, and get the the health and safety regulatory hoops just fine.

China has handled large overseas development projects before (including railways - they are involved in the Northrail project in the Philippines, and also worked on the TAZARA railway project in Zambia back in the 70's.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 12:01 AM   #62
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http://af.reuters.com/article/energy...6611PZ20100702

Alstom's bid for the 2nd phase is valued $12.5 billion.

Is Alstom really submitting a $12.5 billion bid or are they trying to confuse its competitors?
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 12:58 AM   #63
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It'll most likely be the Chinese/Siemens Consortium that wins it.
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 11:47 PM   #64
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...MkdXoNHlNFsitQ

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French, Spanish groups vie for huge Mecca rail contract

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RIYADH — A French-Saudi group including Alstom and SNCF and a Spanish-led consortium were the only bidders Saturday for Saudi Arabia's multi-billion dollar Mecca-Medina high speed railway, Saudi officials said.

At least five groups, including German, Chinese and South Korean firms, had qualified for bidding to build the 450-kilometre (275-mile) Haramain railway linking Islam's holiest cities through the Red Sea port of Jeddah.
What, Siemens, Chinese and Koreans did not submit their bids by due date? What's going on?
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Old July 4th, 2010, 12:40 AM   #65
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Wow. Would be a massive win for Alstom and I'm guessing the Spanish one is with CAF.
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Old July 6th, 2010, 04:42 PM   #66
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I smell something fishy with the Sheikhs...
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Old July 6th, 2010, 05:35 PM   #67
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I smell something fishy with the Sheikhs...
Yes, something is wrong, when Chinese and Koreans, two lowest bidders, wouldn't even bid.

So Alstom is the default winner, and you will see TGV Duplex running on that railway.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #68
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Yes, something is wrong, when Chinese and Koreans, two lowest bidders, wouldn't even bid.

So Alstom is the default winner, and you will see TGV Duplex running on that railway.
...or the new AGV? I have the impression that the landscape in western Saudi Arabia is quite hilly. The TGV Duplex is a heavy train to pull up a hillside, whereas the AGV with its distributed motoring units should be much more of a "climber".
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Old July 7th, 2010, 08:21 PM   #69
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...or the new AGV? I have the impression that the landscape in western Saudi Arabia is quite hilly. The TGV Duplex is a heavy train to pull up a hillside, whereas the AGV with its distributed motoring units should be much more of a "climber".
According to press report, Alstom's proposing TGV and not AGV.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 09:47 PM   #70
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It always smells fish when Alstom wins bids.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 05:13 AM   #71
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It always smells fish when Alstom wins bids.
Yeah, well... I guess this depends on one's perspective? As a foreign resident of France I've had to get used to a few little idiosyncracies of the thinking here in Paris. For example, the world of business is considered as something slightly "shabby" which should absolutely be placed under political control and subjugated to social policy (in the case of domestic business) or foreign policy (in the case of international businss) priorities.

The deal concerning Mekkah-Medineh is a classic example. It is widely rumoured to have been bundled with the recent agreement by the French government to help the Saudi Arabia develop nuclear technologies. In brief, Iranian nuclear ambitions have created a window of opportunity for France to impress it merchandise on frightened Gulf states, and the French government intends to seize it. Most French people think that's THE way to conduct international business...
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Old July 19th, 2010, 10:33 AM   #72
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Multi billion dollar boost for GCC railways
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DOHA: Rail projects have become a point of focus in the GCC with multi-billion dollar investments being made by each Gulf state, including Qatar.

A countrywide $11bn railway network in the UAE with 1,500km will be rolled out over the next 7-8 years. Moreover, Abu Dhabi has revealed plans for a new rail network serving the city of Al Ain in the emirate's Eastern Region, an expert said.

Satish Khanna, General Manager, Al Fajer Information and ServicesAl Fajer Information and ServicesLoading... said that it will be common for a person to travel from Dubai to Jeddah or Abu Dhabi to Doha in few hours in the near future.

"The last five years have seen the announcement of a series of transport projects by various Gulf countries, including railway projects. In order to meet the pressing regional logistics demands, the next 10-15 years will see transport projects worth $170bn. Out of this, 85 percent will be spent by UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Precisely over $108bn will be spent in the railways sector alone", he said.

There are huge upcoming railway projects in the Middle East. The GCC's rail sector is a rising sector. The GCC network will include one rail line of 1,970km connecting all GCC countries and Qatar via a bridge.

The second line of 1,984km will stretch between Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and end in Oman. An effective rail network will fortify the region's position as a major global energy and trading hub.

Saudi Arabia is planning a railway line connecting the Kingdom to Europe. Saudi Arabia is spending $25bn on its rail network adding 3,900km of track through three major projects.

The country has already begun work on four different railway projects. Focus will be on 1,000km land-bridge, East-West Railway project, running from Jeddah and Dammam and bridging the gap between the Red Sea and the Arabian Gulf.


A metro light rail network is also planned in Doha. On the other side, Bahrain is planning a $8bn railway project stretching 184km and will include light rail trains, monorails and other transportation systems.
http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZA...GCC%20Railways
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Old July 26th, 2010, 02:12 PM   #73
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Old July 26th, 2010, 02:14 PM   #74
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The SAR Railway initially will serve three broad markets.
1.First is the heavy-haul mineral traffic consisting of phosphate from mines at Al-Jalamid which will move in unit trains to processing facilities at Ras Az-Zawr, and bauxite from mines at Az Zabirah which will also move in unit trains to processing facilities at Ras Az Zawr

2. The second market to be developed is that for the movement of general freight traffic moving in conventional and intermodal service. The other part of the general freight traffic will be a bulk type such as petroleum products and chemicals. Another part of the general freight traffic, however, will likely be most suitable for handling in intermodal (trailer-on-flat car) service.


3.The third broad market is a high speed rail passenger service (200 kilometre/hour) between Riyadh and Al-Haditha serving the stations of Riyadh, King Khaled International Airport, Sudair, Qaseem, Hail, Al-Jawf and Al Haditha.


















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Old July 28th, 2010, 07:00 PM   #75
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Now we know why Chinese dropped out of Saudi high speed rail bid, probably the same for Siemens and Rotem.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/900303a6-8...44feab49a.html

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An historic deal that would have been China’s first sale of high-speed trains abroad has fallen through after state-controlled China Southern Railway Corp dropped its bid to service the Mecca-Medina “pilgrim express” in Saudi Arabia.

The company, which was considered the frontrunner to win the contract, blamed technical factors including the harsh desert environment, but said it remains committed to rapid overseas expansion.
In other news, CSR wins a deal with supply 10 conventional locomotives to Saudi Arabia as a consolation prize.

http://www.capitalvue.com/home/CE-ne...3/post/1210873
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Old July 29th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #76
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which line? Don't tell me about plans and so forth. The truth is that China is the only country that currently does it. By the time France has a 350km/h service line - if it ever does - there will be 380km/h services in China already.
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Not safely.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 07:02 PM   #78
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World's 'fastest' train unveiled (news video from Dec2009 below)

http://www.france24.com/en/20091226-...train-unveiled

China put into service the world's "fastest" rail link on Saturday, with speeds over 350 kilometers per hour between Guangzhou and Wuhan.
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AFP - China on Saturday unveiled what it billed as the fastest rail link in the world -- a train connecting the modern cities of Guangzhou and Wuhan at an average speed of 350 kilometres (217 miles) an hour.

The super-high-speed train reduces the 1,069 kilometre journey to a three hour ride and cuts the previous journey time by more than seven and a half hours, the official Xinhua news agency said.

Work on the project began in 2005 as part of plans to expand a high-speed network aimed at eventually linking Guangzhou, a business hub in southern China near Hong Kong, with the capital Beijing, Xinhua added.

"The train can go 394.2 kilometres per hour, it's the fastest train in operation in the world," Zhang Shuguang, head of the transport bureau at the railways ministry, told Xinhua.

Test runs for the service began earlier in December and the link officially went into service when the first scheduled train left the eastern metropolis of Wuhan on Saturday.

By comparison, the average for high-speed trains in Japan was 243 kilometres per hour while in France it was 277 kilometres per hour, said Xu Fangliang, general engineer in charge of designing the link, according to Xinhua.

Beijing has an ambitious rail development programme aimed at increasing the national network from the current 86,000 kilometres to 120,000 kilometres, making it the most extensive rail system outside the United States.

China unveiled its first high-speed line at the time of the Beijing Olympics in 2008 -- a service linking the capital with the port city of Tianjin.

In September, officials said they planned to build 42 high-speed lines by 2012 in a massive system overhaul as part of efforts to spur economic growth amid the global downturn.

The network uses technology developed in co-operation with foreign firms such as Siemens, Bombardier and Alstom.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 09:26 PM   #79
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Guys, whatīs the point? actually, is there any saudi that could contribute to make this thread more interesting? so far this seems to be a chinese propaganda branch promoting their technology than anything else.

I wonder why CRH Siemens and Roten really withdrew from the negotiations for the HSR, I cannot believe it is for technical reasons...
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Saudi Electric Co wins $488m Haramain rail deal
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Saudi Arabia’s long-awaited Haramain Railway looks set to open by early 2013, according to the terms of the network’s power contract, which has just been awarded.

Arab News reported that the Saudi Electricity Company (SEC) had won the $488m deal to supply the electricity required by the rail link, and that the firm’s president had agreed to complete all works and services by the end of 2012.

The 450km railway will link the two holy cities of Makkah and Madinah with the port city of Jeddah.
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/59766...main-rail-deal
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