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Old May 8th, 2011, 11:08 PM   #101
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Old July 20th, 2011, 02:08 AM   #102
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MADRID — A Spanish consortium has won a contract worth 7.0 billion euros ($10 billion) to build a high-speed rail network linking Medina, Jeddah and the Muslim pilgrimage site of Mecca in Saudi Arabia, Spanish media said on Tuesday.

A spokesman for Spanish rail operator Renfe, one of the leaders of the consortium along with Talgo, Adif, OHL and eight other companies, would not comment on the reports.
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We're getting the ugly duck
They've somehow managed to conjure a way for the worst HST to win
It's not even an EMU


We'll have ours in puke green please
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Old July 21st, 2011, 07:34 PM   #104
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We're getting the ugly duck
They've somehow managed to conjure a way for the worst HST to win
It's not even an EMU
Well, EMU is really obligatory only for speeds beyond 300+.
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Old July 21st, 2011, 09:59 PM   #105
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Well, EMU is really obligatory only for speeds beyond 300+.
not really, the TGV Duplex operates at 320 and this the Talgo 350 operates at 330 eventually 350
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 12:46 AM   #106
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Hi, HiJazzey!

Don´t be angry!
As for the "ugly" duck, once you get the opportunity to ride the "duck" you´ll realize what excellent and advanced technology your country has purchased.
These trains are much lighter in weight (aluminium & new materials used in the aerospace industry) than their competitors Siemens, Alstom, etc. , and this makes tracks last much longer in good conditions. You just don´t need such heavy traditional bogies and bodyworks to transport people! It also makes these trains much more energy-efficient. The ride is incredibly smooth as each coach has only one wheel set, with independent wheels which are always kept in a perfect straight line with the rails. And more: the tilting system is "natural", without additional electric motors or complicated electronics. It´s the acme of modern train technology. Unlike Siemens´ICEs, the Talgo-350´s air-conditioning never breaks down and it´s wheels do never fall apart.
And, in what refers to its looks, there are many people who think it´s beautifully streamlined and, undoubtedly, it has got "character".
As for the HSL itself, at present nobody builds high-speed lines as well, fast and cheap as Spanish companies.
So, don´t be angry. You´re lucky!

Somebody who knows these trains.

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Old July 22nd, 2011, 03:25 PM   #107
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Hi Onkel,

I'm sure they are well built, comfortable and reliable. But the point is they are the last of an old generation of locomotive driven HSTs with newer generation of high speed EMUs already out in service. There are many good reasons why an EMU is preferred: lower axle loads, better acceleration, and better performance on inclines. The latter in particular would be useful in the Rabigh-Medina section where you have to climb up the Hijaz mountains from sea level.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 07:29 PM   #108
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Hi Onkel,

I'm sure they are well built, comfortable and reliable. But the point is they are the last of an old generation of locomotive driven HSTs with newer generation of high speed EMUs already out in service. There are many good reasons why an EMU is preferred: lower axle loads, better acceleration, and better performance on inclines. The latter in particular would be useful in the Rabigh-Medina section where you have to climb up the Hijaz mountains from sea level.
It's not the only one, the new korean KTX uses power cars... but yea EMU's are generally better.
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Wouldnt the Saudi's have been better with a Duplex for the high volume of passengers they intend to transport. Would Talgo maybe develop a duplex out of this?
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 11:12 PM   #110
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Duplex trains were rejected by the Saudis for their discomfort. Then Almstom offered the classic TGV but modernized. In this situation seems to have preferred the Talgo, more modern and comfortable. Also best suited to carry large numbers of people, have their doors wide to walk, which facilitates the incorporation of mature and elderly people, and also invalid people.
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Old July 23rd, 2011, 12:40 AM   #111
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Wouldnt the Saudi's have been better with a Duplex for the high volume of passengers they intend to transport. Would Talgo maybe develop a duplex out of this?
Nope. You need to look past the whole piety serving the pilgrims shpeel. The Hajj is a once a year event, not year round. The train serves the main population centres of the Hijaz, a catchment area of around 8.5 million. A single deck 8-car train is fine for most of the year. They can double them up to 16 during the Hajj season.
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Duplex trains were rejected by the Saudis for their discomfort. Then Almstom offered the classic TGV but modernized. In this situation seems to have preferred the Talgo, more modern and comfortable. Also best suited to carry large numbers of people, have their doors wide to walk, which facilitates the incorporation of mature and elderly people, and also invalid people.
I think they offered the AGV in the end. In any case it's done now.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 05:17 AM   #113
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A little bit on the existing passenger line (Dammam - Riyadh line): The original line was built by Aramco in the late 1940s and was then upgraded in the 1970s. Passenger trains take the following route : Dammam - Abqaiq - Hofuf - Riyadh. Distance is 450km and the journey time is just under 5 hours.

A much needed upgrade is finally under way. The line is getting double tracked, ERTMS signalling system is being installed, and level crossings are being removed. Also, new rolling stock from CAF was ordered. These new 5-car diesel sets can do 200km/h. They're supposed to start arriving this year.

Until then, this is a rare tv report showing the current service:

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Old August 9th, 2011, 07:35 PM   #114
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Haramain High Speed Rail Project (HHR)
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KTMB keen on Saudi high-speed rail project
By Sharen Kaur Published: 2011/08/09
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_New...TMB08/Article/



KUALA LUMPUR: National railway company Keretapi Tanah Melayu Bhd (KTMB) aims to work on the Haramain high-speed rail project in Saudi Arabia to gain expertise so it could undertake a similar project here.

The US$6 billion (RM18.06 billion) Haramain project involves a 450km rail link between Makkah (Mecca) and Madinah. The project has commenced and is expected to be completed by end-2012.

KTMB president Dr Aminuddin Adnan said it has sent several staff to the project site to lobby for contracts.

"We believe with the expertise and exposure gained, we will be ready when Malaysia decides to implement its own high-speed rail project from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore.

"We want to grab the opportunity to work on the high-speed project," Aminuddin said in an interview with Business Times recently in Kuala Lumpur.

The KL-Singapore high-speed rail job, estimated to cost RM8 billion to RM14 billion, will stretch about 400km and reduce travel time to 90 minutes from the current seven hours.

YTL Corp Bhd first mooted the idea to build a high-speed rail in the late 1990s, and then, in 2006. The project was put on hold in April 2008 due to high cost to the government, estimated at about RM8 billion.

By the middle of 2009, YTL again revived talk on the project and expressed hope that the government would relook at the proposal.

In 2010, Malaysia made a proposal to revive the project.

Performance Management and Delivery Unit director Ahmad Suhaili said recently that a pre-feasibility study for the rail project will be concluded on August 19 and submitted to the Cabinet for approval.

Ahmad said the study would allow the government to decide on the corridors and stations to be located between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:24 AM   #115
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Huhh? They want to be involved in HHR for practice ?!
Okay then.
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 09:39 PM   #116
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Saudi Arabian train on test at Velim

26 August 2011






SAUDI ARABIA: The first of eight fixed-formation diesel trainsets which Saudi Railways Organisation ordered from CAF in July 2008 is now undergoing trials at the VUZ testing centre at Velim in the Czech Republic.

The 180 km/h push-pull trainset is formed of five 26·8 m long passenger coaches and single-cab 22·3 m long diesel-electric power car with a 3 600 kW MTU engine.

There is 2+1 seating for 94 first class passengers in the driving car and second coach, with 2+2 seats for 192 second class passengers in the other vehicles. The driving trailer includes a luggage compartment. The centre coach has two wheelchair spaces, along with a buffet counter, conductor's compartment and a prayer room where an interactive screen continually displays an arrow pointing towards Makkah.

Getting the train to Velim was not easy, as at 3 050 mm wide and 4 570 mm high the vehicles do not fit European loading gauges. CAF had intended to ship them by barge to Cerhenice via the Elbe river, but low water levels meant it was not possible to get further upstream than Magdeburg. The train was therefore offloaded and hauled to Velim by German private operator OHE, but it took more than a month to get approval for the out-of-gauge movement.

The train is expected to remain at the test centre for the rest of this year
http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/new...-at-velim.html
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SAUDI ARABIA: On August 10 Makkah municipality's development organisation AlBalad AlAmeen Co announced plans to hold a 'market sounding' exercise for the development of four more metro lines in the city. Expressions of interest will be invited in the third quarter of this year, with construction to begin in 2013 for opening in 2017.

The Makkah Mass Rail Transit Stage 1 expansion programme will complement the 18 km Al Mashaaer Al Mugaddassah line which opened in November 2010.

The first of the new lines will be the 10 km underground Line B with six stations. This will be an extension of the existing line, and will serve the future Haramain High Speed Rail station to the west of the city. Line C will have 14 stations and be 29 km long, partly elevated and partly underground. Lines A and D would follow.

BAC has appointed Ernst & Young, Ashurst and Parsons Brinkerhoff to advise on the MMRT procurement process, which is likely to comprise several packages with some let as PPP contracts.

Makkah faces significant transport challenges, BAC believes. As well as being the focus of the Hajj pilgrimage, the resident population is predicted to double to 3 million by 2035. MMRT is 'fundamental to the transition from the existing inefficient private transport system to an integrated modern public transport network', according to project director Dr Saad A Al-Gadhi.
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TRAINS FOR SAUDI RAILWAYS (SRO)













Type of unit:

This is a Push-Pull train with the power car providing a power rating of 3600 kW via diesel-electric drive. The train is driven from both ends, as it is fitted with two cabs, with similar functions.


The power car provides all the power required for correct train operation.


The train consists of 5 passenger cars with a power car that is driven from both ends. On cab shall be on the power car itself whilst the other cab will be on the control car. Circulation with two coupled units is possible, with these being driven from both ends. These driver cabs shall have one driver and 2 assistants.


The arrangement of the unit is as follows:

Tc-T1-T2-T3-T4-Power car (Pc).



Tc car: Is the drive car which includes 37 First class places with a 1+2 arrangement on each row with a baggage rack and a European WC in the vestibule.


T1 Car: Is the intermediate car with two First class areas with 57 places in the 1+2 arrangement. There are two European WCs in the vestibule.


T2 Car: Is the multifunctional car where there is a small bar and an office for the train conductor. There are also 16 2nd class places in the 2+2 arrangement, two places for wheelchairs and a praying area. There is a PRM WC in the vestibule.


Cars T3 and T4: Are the 2nd class intermediate cars with 88 places in the 2+2 arrangement with two European WCs in the central vestibule.


Power car: With the machine room and driver cab.
http://www.caf.es/ingles/productos/p...c=desc&pais=27



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Basic details:•Carbody length (mm): TC(25.960) | T1-T2-T3-T4(25.000) | PC(21.120)
•Carbody width (mm): 3048
•Doors clearance (mm): 1000
•Height of floor (mm): 1150
•Maximum height (mm): 4500
•Wheel diameter (mm): 920
http://www.caf.es/ingles/productos/p...=datos&pais=27

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Performance:•Total places: 288 (First Class: 94 - Second Class: 192 - PRM: 2)
http://www.caf.es/ingles/productos/p...=prest&pais=27

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Equipment:•PMR Ramps (disabled persons): 2
http://www.caf.es/ingles/productos/p...=equip&pais=27
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TRAINS FOR SAUDI RAILWAYS (SRO)













Type of unit:

This is a Push-Pull train with the power car providing a power rating of 3600 kW via diesel-electric drive. The train is driven from both ends, as it is fitted with two cabs, with similar functions.


The power car provides all the power required for correct train operation.


The train consists of 5 passenger cars with a power car that is driven from both ends. On cab shall be on the power car itself whilst the other cab will be on the control car. Circulation with two coupled units is possible, with these being driven from both ends. These driver cabs shall have one driver and 2 assistants.


The arrangement of the unit is as follows:

Tc-T1-T2-T3-T4-Power car (Pc).



Tc car: Is the drive car which includes 37 First class places with a 1+2 arrangement on each row with a baggage rack and a European WC in the vestibule.


T1 Car: Is the intermediate car with two First class areas with 57 places in the 1+2 arrangement. There are two European WCs in the vestibule.


T2 Car: Is the multifunctional car where there is a small bar and an office for the train conductor. There are also 16 2nd class places in the 2+2 arrangement, two places for wheelchairs and a praying area. There is a PRM WC in the vestibule.


Cars T3 and T4: Are the 2nd class intermediate cars with 88 places in the 2+2 arrangement with two European WCs in the central vestibule.


Power car: With the machine room and driver cab.
http://www.caf.es/ingles/productos/p...c=desc&pais=27



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Basic details:•Carbody length (mm): TC(25.960) | T1-T2-T3-T4(25.000) | PC(21.120)
•Carbody width (mm): 3048
•Doors clearance (mm): 1000
•Height of floor (mm): 1150
•Maximum height (mm): 4500
•Wheel diameter (mm): 920
http://www.caf.es/ingles/productos/p...=datos&pais=27

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Performance:•Total places: 288 (First Class: 94 - Second Class: 192 - PRM: 2)
http://www.caf.es/ingles/productos/p...=prest&pais=27

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Equipment:•PMR Ramps (disabled persons): 2
http://www.caf.es/ingles/productos/p...=equip&pais=27
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