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Old September 15th, 2017, 02:24 PM   #621
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They operate 350 trains a day with only 672 staff? How do they do that, because that would make them one of the most efficient mixed traffic railways in the world?
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Old September 17th, 2017, 08:01 PM   #622
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I understand Your concerns because V250 is frankly a junk which fact that from 19 produced by AnsaldoBreda eventually only 17 are to be used with remaining 2 already serving as donor for spare parts only confirms. Generally Trenitalia doesn't need those trains as those are suppose to replace much better Pendolino sets which still have service life to continue its operations ETR485 were produced in 1997 thus have only 20 years of service (from30-40 which rail rolling stock can last) while ETR600 is roughly 10 years old. Not to mention that Pendolinos have tilting system while V250 not so its travel time will be longer. The only fact that Trenitalia is taking over V250 is due to covering some big asses from heavy losses due to this botched business. So Trenitalia must take it regardless of costs and as it now seems there is option to ditch this problem to Greece. Here situation is slightly different as train operator doesn’t have its rolling stock which must be leased from state so why not to bring your own even crappy one? And basically this is the whole the story.
Don't worry, the V250 will never be used outside of Italy.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 08:06 PM   #623
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Those people have not seen yet what the weather conditions can be in northern Greece during winter. Certainly as much snow as in the Netherlands, which has very mild winters because of the gulf stream. We have not finished laughing yet...
"Those people" surely know many things better than you, since they were the ones that completely rebuilt many AnsaldoBreda's and other franco/german crap and put them on reliable service.

So, yes, given Trenitalia's good record in "fixing" all sort of problems, we have not finished laughing yet...
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:54 PM   #624
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Hello,

First time poster here so please be gentle!

Does anyone have idea when the new Tithorea - Lianokladi HS section opens?

I am looking to travel on the scenic existing route before too late.

Having searched online (which found me here) there seems to be very little info around when the section will actually open for service trains.

Any info greatly appreciated
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Old October 24th, 2017, 11:37 AM   #625
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I have read January in another forum.
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Old October 24th, 2017, 11:47 PM   #626
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Hello,

First time poster here so please be gentle!

Does anyone have idea when the new Tithorea - Lianokladi HS section opens?

I am looking to travel on the scenic existing route before too late.

Having searched online (which found me here) there seems to be very little info around when the section will actually open for service trains.

Any info greatly appreciated
There were rumours that the new section would start operating in November. However it seems that some minor works still need to be made. There is a good chance though that it will open before the end of the year
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Old October 25th, 2017, 03:20 PM   #627
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Many thanks for the replies so far, very helpful. If anyone else has anything to add I'd love to hear.

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Old November 10th, 2017, 02:25 AM   #628
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Old November 17th, 2017, 09:15 PM   #629
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 11:42 AM   #630
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Just a quick note to update my earlier posts - managed a short trip to travel the soon to close Tithorea – Lianokladi and Lianokladi – Domokos scenic single line sections through the hills.

The new line from Tithorea – Lianokladi which was supposed to open in Autumn 2017 looks to have a few weeks work left on it judging by the amount of missing OLE equipment at the Lianokladi end.
The new Lianokladi – Domokos line has many sections where the track and OLE is still to be installed.
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Old November 26th, 2017, 05:26 PM   #631
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What about electrification line Thessaloniki-Athens in total distance? When it should be finished?
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Old December 5th, 2017, 05:51 PM   #632
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Chris Mavropoulos published cabview from Thessaloniki to Larissa. In general someone should cut those tress and do really some of colour light signals are out of service (white cross on them)?
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Old December 6th, 2017, 02:15 PM   #633
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I've noticed several times that orange/yellow and red aspects are sometimes very difficult to distinguish in Youtube videos. If it's not that then Greek signalling confuses me a bit: At 3:44 and 4:20 it looks like the signals are red (and do not have a white cross), yet the train passes them at speed. Also signals with white crosses should not display any aspect, again to avoid confusion, yet the signal at 5:02 does (again red).
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Old December 6th, 2017, 02:27 PM   #634
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It's common on videos that colours on signals differ from what is in reality so the best way of distinguishing them is looking at their position on the signal post. Unfortunately I don't have any data regarding signalling rules in Greece so can't provide any details to that.
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Old December 29th, 2017, 12:31 AM   #635
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What will be the distance from Athens to Thessalonki when the railway line is modernized? Approximately 480km?
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Old January 6th, 2018, 11:04 PM   #636
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Hello,

The distance will be approximately 490km (Thessaloniki-Domokos is 232km, Athens-Tithorea is 156km, and the new Tithorea-Domokos section will be 106km).

Regarding the new section, a large safety test was conducted yesterday within the Kallidromo tunnel aswell as several measurements in the past months. On the 8th of January, the Tithorea-Lianokladi part will be "inaugurated", as the final tests will be held with the presence of the Minister of Transport. The line (single track with diesel traction for now, double electrified track will be completed in April) will officially open for passenger usage by the end of the month, if everything goes well. The Lianokladi-Domokos part is planned to be completed by June, yet there's still a significant amount of work left. Also, the electrified part of the track coming from Athens was recently expanded from Piraeus to Tithorea. Several sites mention the usage of electric traction from Thessaloniki to Domokos, a switch to diesel for the Domokos-Tithorea part, and then back to electric all the way to Athens, to take full advantage of it (even though that would probably create a larger delay, with each locomotive switch at around 12 min / we will find out the train compositions within the following days). About the video, the signals with white crosses are indeed out of order, and will be restored by the end of the year, leading to an increased capacity in the Thessaloniki-Athens line.
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Old January 8th, 2018, 11:27 PM   #637
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Everything went well today at the final test on the Tithorea-Lianokladi route, with a large group of railway officials and journalists on board the train. The new section will commence from February 1st, meaning that the old scenic line through Bralos will no longer be used (at least for now, there are some ideas on it being used as a tourist railway, while the residents of the villages that will no longer be serviced are complaining). And some photos:

From the Kallidromon test:
http://www.ergose.gr/files/uploads/i...c145285523.jpg

http://www.ergose.gr/files/uploads/i...9321604391.jpg

http://www.ergose.gr/files/uploads/i...4066455167.jpg

And from today's inauguration:
Lianokladi renovated station (not entirely completed)



More:http://www.mag24.gr/athina-lamia-se-...otografies112/

Hopefully there will be a cab ride video or an aerial one available soon, as the existing ones don't show much.
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Old January 9th, 2018, 04:34 PM   #638
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Awesome updates, thanks ICExpress

Do you have any info on the new rolling stock TrainOSE will use from Trenitalia?
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Sadly there's no update on the rolling stock the company will use, so far. At the previous press conference that TrainOSE held, the CEO mentioned that new rolling stock will be used along with the completion of the line, but didn't provide any further details. He did mention though, that there will be another conference with representatives from Ferrovie Dello Stato, in which they will make several announcements.

Also, today was an historical day as the first electric locomotive hauled InterCity service departed from Athens Central. It is the first time that an Hellas Sprinter locomotive is used in the part of the line after Domokos. For now, two InterCity services will be hauled by an electric locomotive from Athens to Tithorea, where there won't be a locomotive change, but two ADTranz diesel locomotives will be coupled in front, hauling the train all the way to Domokos. There, they will be detached and the same locomotive will be used all the way to Thessaloniki.

And a couple of videos:

A short cab ride in the new section:


The first electric locomotive hauled InterCity outside Athens:
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Old January 10th, 2018, 11:35 PM   #640
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There are claims that Athens-Thessaloniki will be taken in 3 hours and 20 minites, once the whole line gets completed. I am interested what will be the minimum number of intermediate stations in order to achieve this travel time. The train will definitely call at Larissa, Lianokladi (for Lamia), Paleofarsalos (for Kalabaka branch), Platy (for Florina branch) and I also guess at Katerini, Livadia, Thiva, Oinoi (for Chalkida). This implies an average speed of at least 170km/h. Is that feasible over the whole railway line?
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