Philippine Defense Forces

[Arvor]

It ( A319cj ) would probably be roomier but if we want the range it would only transport the same number as the Falcon 7X and cost more to fly since its a bigger plane .

[johnmizer]

^ ilang taon na pala yung presidential car natin? panahon pa ni ramos yaun oh...

[marxman]

Originally Posted by kalbongdad

i strongly disagree to your generalization.....

technically, it is...

[Kintoy]

all of the UH-1H are reconditioned

some of the OV-10 Broncos were donated by Thailand, the rest were Vietnam-era USAF planes

only 1 C-130 left in service because kulang na sa spare parts yung iba

the S211, which is primarily a trainer, is now used for air defense

one of the primary transport aircraft of the PAF is the Fokker F27.

[Kintoy]

Originally Posted by mwg12a

Problema, walay cualta!!! Di kaya ng bulsa. Sa pinaglumaan lang din ng ibang bansa na uutangan ang makukuha s.

this is not true. nakokorakot lang ang budget kaya wala nang pambili. di naman kailangan F-16 ang bilhin. nag-offer ang Israel ng Kfir dati.

[kubwak]

Originally Posted by Kintoy

all of the UH-1H are reconditioned

some of the OV-10 Broncos were donated by Thailand, the rest were Vietnam-era USAF planes

only 1 C-130 left in service because kulang na sa spare parts yung iba

the S211, which is primarily a trainer, is now used for air defense

one of the primary transport aircraft of the PAF is the Fokker F27.

So the equipment is quite old

When you say "philippine military bulok", you are making a sweeping generalization that includes, not just the old and clunky equipment, but also the personnel.

Do you really mean that all our military personnel are also "bulok"?

[Kintoy]

i did not say that. somebody else did. i pointed out the sad equipment we have

pero well, kung abu sayaff nga na 150 lang ang bilang di nila matalo-talo...

[marxman]

Originally Posted by kubwak

So the equipment is quite old

When you say "philippine military bulok", you are making a sweeping generalization that includes, not just the old and clunky equipment, but also the personnel.

Do you really mean that all our military personnel are also "bulok"?

ok fine... hindi sila bulok... rating nalang... 1-10... 10 being the best.

i think rate naten is 2... what does that mean? doesnt it mean bulok military naten? accept it dude... theres nothing wrong with accepting it.

kung personnel nmn. try mo paglabanen ung full gear na philippine soldier and full gear na singaporean soldier. tingin mo sino mananalo?

how about singaporean f-15 vs philippine s-211

sa navy namn singporean RSS Formidable vs BRP Rajah Humabon

ano m.conclude mo?

[Christian_123]

Originally Posted by kubwak

So the equipment is quite old

When you say "philippine military bulok", you are making a sweeping generalization that includes, not just the old and clunky equipment, but also the personnel.

Do you really mean that all our military personnel are also "bulok"?

Just look at those new shiny mansions of AFP Generals! *cough* *cough* *cough*

I agree with marxman, talagang bulok ang army, navy at air force natin. Kahit "well trained" ang soldiers natin ay wala silang kalabanlaban pag ang kalaban ay sobrang modern naman ang gamit.

[kalbongdad]

Originally Posted by Christian_123

Just look at those new shiny mansions of AFP Generals! *cough* *cough* *cough*

I agree with marxman, talagang bulok ang army, navy at air force natin. Kahit "well trained" ang soldiers natin ay wala silang kalabanlaban pag ang kalaban ay sobrang modern naman ang gamit.

i completely disagree.....case in point.....vietnam...kicking american asses.. irag kicking american asses...need i say more......yung mga equipment pang shock and awe lang yan....once the real fighting starts mano y mano....ano nangyari sa kanila......their asses were kicked by poorly armed but dedicated militias.....

[Ady001]

Home advantage. Pati nga Militar natin hirap tugisin ang Abu Sayyaf dahil sa masusukal na bundok...

But yeah, military might aside talagang humanga ako sa Vietnam nung na-trump nila ang US because of the Vietnam War.

[kalbongdad]

Originally Posted by Ady001

Home advantage. Pati nga Militar natin hirap tugisin ang Abu Sayyaf dahil sa masusukal na bundok...

But yeah, military might aside talagang humanga ako sa Vietnam nung na-trump nila ang US because of the Vietnam War.

hindi hirap tugisin.....ang isyu dito palagi pagnananalo na ang militar biglang sulputan na ang mga human rights epal......naalala mo ba panahon ni erap....they were trounced....their camps fell one after the other....kaso...biglang tigil...kaya heto tayo ulit back to square 1 usap wento wala wenta...sa mga separatists at terrorists.....

btw yung ang isang bagay pala na nagawa ni erap sa panahon nya maliban sa carabao law....har har har...

[Brown Tiger]

SINGAPORE MAIN BATTLE TANK (GERMAN LEOPARD TANK)

Scenario:
If there will be a War between Singapore and Philippines, 1st day of war, all our infantry will be obliterated.

President Elect NoyNoy, TIME TO MODERNIZE THE ARMED FORCES !! NOW!!

[Ady001]

Originally Posted by kalbongdad

hindi hirap tugisin.....ang isyu dito palagi pagnananalo na ang militar biglang sulputan na ang mga human rights epal......naalala mo ba panahon ni erap....they were trounced....their camps fell one after the other....kaso...biglang tigil...kaya heto tayo ulit back to square 1 usap wento wala wenta...sa mga separatists at terrorists.....

btw yung ang isang bagay pala na nagawa ni erap sa panahon nya maliban sa carabao law....har har har...

Powtek, tama nga pala ano. Hmm... Ano kaya kung idegrade din mga rights nila. Talagang di pa nakakatikim ng giyera ang mga 'to.

[kubwak]

we all have our own opinions

and my opinion is that some of us suffer from armchair generalitis

[Brown Tiger]

PHILIPPINE NAVY VESSELS




SINGAPORE NAVY VESSELS

[Alinghi]

we should have a well-equipped modern army first to begin with.. saka na ang PAF at PN kasi wala na tayong laban dyan.. the army should be the strongest in the AFP in case of an invasion eh may laban talaga tayo, keeping in mind Gen. McArthur saying "give me 10,000 Filipino soldiers and i'll conquer the world" mantra.. kaya natin yan as long as merong modern equipment.. army defense material is also cheaper than ships and planes so this should be easy basta committed ang Aquino Administration sa modernization at mawalis ang mga kurakot na general

[kalbongdad]

Originally Posted by Brown Tiger

SINGAPORE MAIN BATTLE TANK (GERMAN LEOPARD TANK)

Scenario:
If there will be a War between Singapore and Philippines, 1st day of war, all our infantry will be obliterated.

President Elect NoyNoy, TIME TO MODERNIZE THE ARMED FORCES !! NOW!!

o ito naman......usa obliterates iraq......ngayon sino na obliterate pagdating sa personnel combat......

[oreotm]

palitan nalang kaya natin title ng thread na 'to? "Philippine Defense forces versus other nations defense force"??

[Arvor]

If there will be a War between Singapore and Philippines, 1st day of war, all our infantry will be obliterated.

we should have a well-equipped modern army first to begin with.. saka na ang PAF at PN kasi wala na tayong laban dyan.. the army should be the strongest in the AFP in case of an invasion eh may laban talaga tayo

I would respond to both comments at the same time because they are tied togheter.

Altho they probably would have a harder time in a war of attrition Singapore is undoubtedly the strongest military in ASEAN and their strength would lie in being able to bear massive firepower against their enemy in a short period of time since they cant do long wars, the Phillipine army would not get obliterated by Singapores tanks but by its air and naval power, the Phillipine army is rather useless against a full blown invasion which isnt very likely anyway, the likeliest scenario for an invasion would be against outlying islands such as the Spratleys or other similarly far flung islands or naval and air blockades which could cripple the country .

The army actually needs to be made smaller while in fact i believe that it is the marines and the paratroop forces that needs to be increased given the archipelagic nature of the country and the means by which the country would need to take the war to its enemies, you dont use the army to storm the beaches of the enemy or capture their cities and airports in the middle of the night for these you use the marines the paratroops and special forces .

The army for its part needs to become smaller more professional and well equipped with an enlarged special forces groups, likewise tanks are not really that usefull in the countries terrain and it could be made even more useless if the country starts to acquire and employ portable anti tank and anti aircraft missile systems in its standard platoon formations .

Theres no use having a large army if it is poorly trained and equipped to face a modern adversary, the Iraqi army during the first gulf war was at the time considered to be one of the largest but it lacked the technological sophistication and the results when they faced the wests ultra modern firepower was simply devastating it was basically no contest, it is for these same reasons that S.Korea in my opinion could win over the north if they are forced to or willing to take some initial devastation against Seoul .

Heres an opinion i wrote in another thread regarding reforms of the country and on defence .

- Military reform/Defence industry .

The country should focus on building naval and air forces and massively increasing the size of the Phillippine marines given that the country is primarily a maritime archipelago, aswell as paratrooper forces so that we create a mobile force capable of long distance force projection both by sea and air .

The marines should expand from the current 10.000 to 40.000
Airborne and special forces from 5000 to 20.000

The army should be divided into two separate sections :

1) a small but professional and well equipped army from 113.000 to 80.000 ( + reserves )

2) a large conscript based national guard system ( around 100.000 conscripts at any given time ) with its own independent command structure except in time of war when the service is integrated under army command, where young people will serve 1 or two years of their life maybe 18 and 19 or they can chose 19 and 20 in basic military training and mainly be based in their local province or island, and only serve as auxiliary to the professional army in local support roles and to help out in disasters and not necessarily fighting insurgents or frontline warfare.

They will basically just be boyscouts with guns and uniforms and trucks and other light basic equipment, the idea is to create bonds between the youth and love of country aswell as networking contacts for their life in the future and learning a thing or two about self discipline and self esteem .

The conscripts will only be used in frontline warfare in the event the country is invaded or threatened or otherwise if needed for national security, in which case they fall under operational control of the army, or to assist other relevant government agency lets say NBI, PNP or environmental agency during disasters or civil unrest ie riots or prison breaks etc .

Alternatively they could chose to join a civil service, so for example if they want to become an engineer they can volunteer to civil engineer units in the countryside building roads and other local infrastructures or if they wish to become doctors or nurses likewise they could join rural medical civic services dispensing healthcare in remote areas, this will help them gain real life and practical experience on the one hand while improving the quality of life and infrastructure for those less developed far flung and rural areas .

From the ranks of these conscripts if they wish to enter the military would come most of the recruitement for the national professional military forces like the army , navy , air forces ... .

There must also be better coordination between the military, government and industry in order to build step by step at first a modest defence industry, and perhaps cluster these industries around Bataan province which can specialise in defence and where the military could perhaps build a giant joint forces base something like fort hood texas and norfolk naval base combined + airbases, the province already has alot of national parks the rest of the territory can be handed over to the military as training grounds .

Finally the country needs to start developing a more robust and meaningful foreign policy, one which seeks closer alliances with countries like Singapore, S.Korea and Japan the US and others the Phillipines must become an important cornerstone in defending and securing the sea lanes of trade and regional peace, and we must be prepared to support such key allies in defending their security .http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...571704&page=35

And my post on portable anti tank and anti air/ship systems, these missiles are expensive they cost in the thousands of $ a pop but then again they can take out tanks and helicopters that can cost in the hundreds of thousands or millions ... and seriously hamper an enemies freedom of movement, it was the advent of these portable anti tank missile systems and anti aircraft missiles that allowed the Egyptians a substantial advantage and drew the Israeli counter offensive to a halt in the begining of the Yom Kippur war against Israel and again the tactics were employed by Hezbollah during the Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006, now imagine the same tactics using more modern portable missile systems by a modern professional army .

Of course portable missiles should not substitute a full compliment of larger and longer ranged missiles, air forces and naval ships both in the defence of the country or in fighting offensive actions .

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RBS 70




Mistral Missile

The country can buy some tanks nontheless but these would be more usefull on offensive operations overseas or in the framework of coalition warfare or peace keeping .