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Old July 13th, 2011, 01:35 PM   #11161
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a flexible weapons array and pin-sharp accurate avionics is more important to COIN warfare. you don't need speed in COIN, only precision and endurance
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a flexible weapons array and pin-sharp accurate avionics is more important to COIN warfare. you don't need speed in COIN, only precision and endurance
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So what do you guys think? China's pride or nationalism
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Admiral Mullen, however says

while "great symbolism" is associated with China's first aircraft carrier, "sometimes matching the actual capability versus the symbolism, there can be a gap there".

Translation: Everyone should pull up beach chairs and watch the Chinese jets take off and land from their first aircraft carrier!
Interestingly, I just sneaked a peek at GFP and I didn't know Russia is now #2 not China.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 07:40 PM   #11164
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So what do you guys think? China's pride or nationalism
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Admiral Mullen, however says

while "great symbolism" is associated with China's first aircraft carrier, "sometimes matching the actual capability versus the symbolism, there can be a gap there".

Translation: Everyone should pull up beach chairs and watch the Chinese jets take off and land from their first aircraft carrier!
Their ships are gonna break down easily. Coz they were made there.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 10:26 PM   #11165
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Eto na si Lone Ranger, siya na mag aareglo sa dispute ng Spratly.



JINING, CHINA - JULY 12: Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visits an air force base of the Chinese People's Liberation Army on July 12, 2011 in Jining, Shandong Province of China. Mullen is on a four day visit to China to discuss disputes China is having with the Philippines and Vietnam over the South China Sea.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #11167
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Why not? para sila na lang ang magbakbakan pag hindi tumahimik ang Tsina...
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By Agence France-Presse, Updated: 7/13/2011
US seeks release of hostages held in Philippines

The United States called on Wednesday for the immediate release of two citizens abducted in the Philippines, and demanded that the authorities go after the kidnappers.

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Filipino police said unidentified gunmen snatched Gerfa Lunsmann, 50, her 14-year-old son Kevin and her Filipino teenage nephew on Tuesday at a resort near the southern port of Zamboanga.

US embassy spokeswoman Victoria Long said the two allies are cooperating to secure the safety of the captives, as Filipino police said they had yet to hear from the kidnappers.

"We are aware of reports that two US citizens have been abducted near Zamboanga, and are working with authorities in the Philippines," Long told AFP.

"We remain concerned about their safety and well-being. The United States condemns kidnappings of any kind, and we call for the immediate release of the victims and the prosecution of those responsible," Long said.

Meanwhile, the country's main Muslim rebel group said it was helping efforts to free the hostages and would recover them if they were taken into their territories.

Von al-Haq, spokesman of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) said the rebel group, which has a ceasefire and is engaged in peace talks with the Philippine government, was gathering "intelligence" on the abduction.

"When somebody is kidnapped in a place where there is a presence of the MILF, then the MILF will help," al-Haq said.

"If the suspects go to MILF areas with the victims, then the victims will be rescued and turned over to the government," he added.

The Philippines' police chief, Raul Bacalzo, said the authorities had yet to hear from the kidnappers or what they wanted.

He said the mother was born in the Philippines, gained US citizenship, married a US-based German man and bore him the son who was abducted along with her.

He said the police were cooperating with the Philippine military.

"Our efforts (are) to locate the possible withdrawal areas of the kidnappers and the victims."

He said he could not confirm local speculation that the Abu Sayyaf, a small Islamist militant group blamed for previous abductions of foreigners as well as deadly bombings, could be behind the latest kidnapping.

"We are still waiting for their demands, so that we will know the exact nature of this," Bacalzo said.

Al-Haq said MILF forces in Zamboanga told him the abduction was carried out by the Abu Sayyaf but he did not give details.

In the past, some military officers have charged that some members of the MILF were involved in kidnappings despite the ceasefire with the government.

National police operations chief Leocadio Santiago meanwhile brushed off speculation that small units of US military advisers in the area would take part in the search and rescue effort.

"Any speculation that they will join (the operation) is just speculation," he said.

The US advisers have been training Filipino forces fighting the Abu Sayyaf but are not allowed to engage in combat, though they can return fire if attacked according to the terms of a status-of-forces treaty.

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Damn. Why doesn't Penot do like Erap did? Time to really go after these terrorist with a hammer!
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By Agence France-Presse, Updated: 7/13/2011
US seeks release of hostages held in Philippines

The United States called on Wednesday for the immediate release of two citizens abducted in the Philippines, and demanded that the authorities go after the kidnappers.
Oh I forgot this is Penot we're talking about

Update: Sikat na naman ang imahen ng Pinas. This is what I'm getting in my US News feed

Philippines: No word from 2 Americans' abductors
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Old July 14th, 2011, 04:47 AM   #11170
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Eto na si Lone Ranger, siya na mag aareglo sa dispute ng Spratly.



JINING, CHINA - JULY 12: Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, visits an air force base of the Chinese People's Liberation Army on July 12, 2011 in Jining, Shandong Province of China. Mullen is on a four day visit to China to discuss disputes China is having with the Philippines and Vietnam over the South China Sea.
Have you observed that the U.S. are not allowed to use their own military plane to transport the general on other places in China. They will suspect that american will spy on the surrounding bases. The US spy satellite can even read the fine print on the cigarette pack.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 06:08 AM   #11171
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Have you observed that the U.S. are not allowed to use their own military plane to transport the general on other places in China. They will suspect that american will spy on the surrounding bases. The US spy satellite can even read the fine print on the cigarette pack.


Meron mga restriction kasi ang China on their air space and military bases. But some US cargo planes were allowed to bring some emergency assistance.
Adm. Mullen is visiting some of China's sensitive and strategic military bases after a similar trip by a high ranking chinese military officer in the US.


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Meron mga restriction kasi ang China on their air space and military bases. But some US cargo planes were allowed to bring some emergency assistance.
Adm. Mullen is visiting some of China's sensitive and strategic military bases after a similar trip by a high ranking chinese military officer in the US.


Buti pa sa US defense thread, pinaguusapan lang nila yung pagiging superpower
But I refuse to call China a superpower. Like they don't have delusions of grandeur already
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They are a failure in human and economic terms." ~MARGARET THATCHER, 1976

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Old July 14th, 2011, 06:50 AM   #11173
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Buti pa sa US defense thread, pinaguusapan lang nila yung pagiging superpower
But I refuse to call China a superpower. Like they don't have delusions of grandeur already
There is really not much to talk about our military defense since there is no threat of foreign military invasion. It's better for our military to start a major shakedown of the local insurgents, rebel groups and kidnappers of foreigners.
But that might come after a major military organization cleanup on corruption.
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There is really not much to talk about our military defense since there is no threat of foreign military invasion. It's better for our military to start a major shakedown of the local insurgents, rebel groups and kidnappers of foreigners.
But that might come after a major military organization cleanup on corruption.
I agree with you.

The military brasses should follow their own rules of discipline so that the men of the bottom ranks will follow.

My uncle was a retired commander in Philippines Navy and advanced training in Groton Connecticut ship buiding operation of the U.S. Navy facilities. He was very frustrated of his bosses sa Sangley Point. sobrang kurakot daw.

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Sangley Pt. pa lang yan, lalo na sa Clark AB nuon. pati makina ng huey gustong ilabas at ibenta sa black market...
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Buti pa sa US defense thread, pinaguusapan lang nila yung pagiging superpower
But I refuse to call China a superpower. Like they don't have delusions of grandeur already
Haha i like it.
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Old July 15th, 2011, 01:14 AM   #11177
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But I refuse to call China a superpower. Like they don't have delusions of grandeur already
The World Says China Will Overtake America
But not many are cheering.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
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By ANDREW KOHUT

In the past decade, anti-Americanism grew around the world. This was in response to concerns about the unchecked global power of the U.S., when it invaded Iraq in the face of very wide international opposition. In sharp contrast, today America is seen as on its way to losing its status as the dominant global superpower.

A new Pew Global Attitudes survey released today finds that while the U.S. is better regarded around the world now than it was in the Bush years, in 15 of 22 nations surveyed most say that China either will replace or already has replaced America as the world's "leading superpower." This view is especially widespread in Western Europe, where at least six in 10 respondents in Britain, France, Germany and Spain see China eventually overtaking the U.S.

The emerging perception of China's superpower status no doubt reflects global recognition of its growing economic might, and the fact that the U.S. is increasingly seen as trailing China economically. Nowhere is this more evident than in Western Europe, where the percentage naming China as the world's "leading economic power" has increased markedly over the past two years, along with the view that it will ultimately eclipse the U.S. as global superpower.

In Britain, for example, the share saying that China is now No. 1 economically jumped to 47%, up from 34% in 2009. Over that same period, the percentage of Brits who think that China will eventually replace the U.S. as global superpower climbed to 65%, from 49%. These percentages parallel trends in Germany, Spain and France.

But not many are cheering. Unlike just a few years ago, when the publics of America's oldest allies rued America's power, they are now alarmed by its diminishing economic might. Among the pluralities who now see China as more economically powerful than the U.S., most view this as a bad thing—and by a 2-to-1 margin in France, Germany and Spain, for example.

In Latin America, Japan, Turkey and Eastern Europe, people are less convinced that China has passed the U.S. economically. Notably, 68% in Turkey, 55% in Japan, and 53% in Brazil continue to think the U.S. is the leading economic power.

In the Middle East and Pakistan, our surveys have consistently found that anti-Americanism remains the prevailing point of view, and the perception that the U.S. has fallen behind China is less prevalent than in Western Europe. But where it exists, it is welcomed.

Outside the Muslim countries, however, there is a general consensus that it would be bad if China were to rival the U.S. militarily. Eight in 10 Western Europeans subscribe to this view, and even majorities of Russians (57%) and Turks (54%) would disapprove of this development.

The American people, suffering through a weaker-than-expected recovery from the recession, are less upbeat about the state of the nation than they were a decade ago. And they are clearly troubled about America's place in the world relative to China.

Americans are evenly divided as to whether China eventually will replace the U.S. as global superpower—46% think it will, 45% think not, and by a small margin more name China (43%) than the U.S. (38%) as the leading economic power.

Most Americans who do see China overtaking the U.S. economically view the prospect with some alarm, as a "bad thing." But overall, 51% of Americans continue to hold a "favorable view" of China. American angst is more focused on the U.S. faltering rather than on China's success. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll in January, for example, found a 54%-majority describing the U.S. as in a state of decline.

While popular views of China's economic clout may be overstated both at home and abroad, this perception represents a new challenge to the image of the U.S. Concerns about American power in the last decade have been supplanted by the view that American vitality is on the wane. This notion may turn out to be every bit as difficult to deal with domestically and globally as was the earlier view that U.S. power needed to be curtailed.

Mr. Kohut is president of the Pew Research Center. A copy of the survey can be found at http://pewglobal.org/2011/07/13/chin...bal-superpower.
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The World Says China Will Overtake America
But not many are cheering.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
Wall Street Journal

By ANDREW KOHUT

In the past decade, anti-Americanism grew around the world. This was in response to concerns about the unchecked global power of the U.S., when it invaded Iraq in the face of very wide international opposition. In sharp contrast, today America is seen as on its way to losing its status as the dominant global superpower.

A new Pew Global Attitudes survey released today finds that while the U.S. is better regarded around the world now than it was in the Bush years, in 15 of 22 nations surveyed most say that China either will replace or already has replaced America as the world's "leading superpower." This view is especially widespread in Western Europe, where at least six in 10 respondents in Britain, France, Germany and Spain see China eventually overtaking the U.S.

The emerging perception of China's superpower status no doubt reflects global recognition of its growing economic might, and the fact that the U.S. is increasingly seen as trailing China economically. Nowhere is this more evident than in Western Europe, where the percentage naming China as the world's "leading economic power" has increased markedly over the past two years, along with the view that it will ultimately eclipse the U.S. as global superpower.

In Britain, for example, the share saying that China is now No. 1 economically jumped to 47%, up from 34% in 2009. Over that same period, the percentage of Brits who think that China will eventually replace the U.S. as global superpower climbed to 65%, from 49%. These percentages parallel trends in Germany, Spain and France.

But not many are cheering. Unlike just a few years ago, when the publics of America's oldest allies rued America's power, they are now alarmed by its diminishing economic might. Among the pluralities who now see China as more economically powerful than the U.S., most view this as a bad thing—and by a 2-to-1 margin in France, Germany and Spain, for example.

In Latin America, Japan, Turkey and Eastern Europe, people are less convinced that China has passed the U.S. economically. Notably, 68% in Turkey, 55% in Japan, and 53% in Brazil continue to think the U.S. is the leading economic power.

In the Middle East and Pakistan, our surveys have consistently found that anti-Americanism remains the prevailing point of view, and the perception that the U.S. has fallen behind China is less prevalent than in Western Europe. But where it exists, it is welcomed.

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Yeah that just enforces the delusions of grandeur
Why China Will Never Be a Superpower
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Last month, the World Economic Forum was held in Dalian, China. The focus was on how to continue to develop the rapid economic growth that has occurred throughout Asia. However, the ineptitude of the Chinese is widespread throughout the world as well. There are many factors that will ensure that China will never become a role model for other countries to follow.
1. One child only policy. China started this rule for families to have only one child in 1979. In China, a male is given more honor than a female; therefore, many families only kept a male child. The females are either aborted or abandoned in orphanages. As a result, male children born outnumber female children at a ratio of 116.9 to 100. After thirty years of this dumb policy, there is now a ratio of 106 men to 100 women throughout the entire country of China. Unfortunately, population control has not helped since more than 1 billion people reside in China. If the Chinese cannot handle this problem of overpopulation, then they will never be able to figure out how to even become a superpower. Think about it: they outnumber every country in the world and they still haven't figured out how to be the #1 country in the world. Maybe Sun Tzu's 'Art of War' should have had a section on how to show the Chinese some strategies on becoming a world power.
2. Human Rights Issues. The Chinese government always suppresses anyone who chooses to disagree with the government. They imprison, torture, and kill anyone who chooses to express different views than what the government wants the masses of China to follow. Squelching freedom of expression saps all creativity from the country. Nobody wants to invent or create anything different because of the threat of being killed for just expressing ideas. Therefore, the government keeps the masses of China in a mediocre, stagnant state with no clues on how to become greater.
3. Economic Issues. Gold right now is over one thousand dollars an ounce. Whenever there is an economic crisis, the prices of precious metals skyrocket. What does China do? They invest a majority of their money in USA's T-bills. If the USA collapses in the future, then China would economically collapse as well. China's economic future is directly intertwined with how the USA does. Dependence on another country will never put China into superpower status.
4. Production Issues. China's number one exporter is the USA. However, whatever China makes is extra crappy. The paint on some of the toys they make have more lead in them than a box of pencils. China causes the most pollution throughout the world. Pollution is caused because of ineffective production. China could clear up pollution because the Olympics last year in Beijing was free from pollution. Slothful attitudes will ensure that China will never become a superpower.
Those were just a few of the issues that show why China will never be a superpower. If you have more reasons why they will never become a superpower, then place them in comments because there are a few more that I did not mention.
and how many carriers does China have? Oh that's right. One retrofitted junk that has yet to be tested and operated sucessufully. And with a battle group to boot
Even Japan mastered carrier operating skills 70 years ago
I see you're just a Chicom in London. Why London? Internet cables unplugged in China?
Keep drinking that Kool aid. Sooner or later, you're gonna need Thorazine instead.
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China is not yet a superpower and is now hated And I don't think the other hegemon (and its allies) will allow it.

The closest title it get is a regional bully, but then, there are many nations in this region that can challenge the mainland. One is an archipelago called Japan. Another is that southern country in the Korean peninsula (aka South Korea) that is even starting to replace Hollywood in this part of the world. Both countries China like to copy.
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China is not yet a superpower and is now hated And I don't think the other hegemon (and its allies) will allow it.

The closest title it get is a regional bully, but then, there are many nations in this region that can challenge the mainland. One is an archipelago called Japan. Another is that southern country in the Korean peninsula (aka South Korea) that is even starting to replace Hollywood in this part of the world. Both countries China like to copy.
Top 10 Super Power Countries of the World
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Following list has been created after conducting a number of surveys; here are the most powerful countries of the world:
  1. The United States of America
  2. Russian Federation
  3. Peoples Republic of China
  4. France
  5. Britain
  6. Japan
  7. Republic of India
  8. Federal Republic of Germany
  9. Pakistan
  10. Republic of Brazil

And 4 of the superpowers above has the most dangerous cities in the world...

TOP 10 DANGEROUS CITTIES OF WORLD
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Most of the people dream to travel around the world in order to explore cultures and traditions of different societies. People can experience the hidden facts of different societies by this way. Whenever a person gets tired from the routine life, it might attractive to go outside the home. However, some area of the world can never be considered to visit as listen bad reputation in news. It is very necessary for people to know about these dangerous cities of the world.
  1. Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
  2. New Orleans, USA
  3. Mogadishu, Somalia
  4. Karachi, Pakistan
  5. Detroit, USA
  6. Cape Town, South Africa
  7. Ciudad Juárez, Mexico
  8. Chechnya, Russia
  9. Caracas, Venezuela
  10. Baghdad, Iraq

Manila is safe!
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