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Philippines-China standoff could spin out of hand
Published April 26, 2012 Associated Press MANILA, Philippines – It started like many other minor confrontations over the specks of isles dotting some of the world's busiest shipping lanes. But the risks in the latest flare-up over a South China Sea shoal are much bigger than the territory itself. Armed vessels from the Philippines and its much more powerful neighbor, China, have faced off for two weeks at the horseshoe-shaped Scarborough Shoal. Either side could miscalculate — and consequences could bear down on the whole region, and drag in the U.S. too. Here's a look at the key players, issues and what's at stake: HOW IT STARTED: The Philippine navy says it caught Chinese fishermen poaching, and on April 10 two Chinese vessels moved in to protect them. The fishing boats slipped away, leaving behind a tense standoff with each side hoping the other will pull out first. HISTORY OF FLASHPOINTS: The shoal is among 200 islands, coral outcrops and banks spread over the South China Sea, with rich fishing grounds and other resources. The biggest of them are the Spratlys, claimed all or in part by the Philippines, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam. There have been sporadic shootouts at sea in the past few decades — China-Vietnam, China-Philippines, Taiwan-Vietnam and Philippines-Vietnam — with navies sinking ships and fortifying disputed islands. A major clash in 1988 between China and Vietnam killed 64 Vietnamese soldiers. China took over the Philippine-occupied Mischief Reef in a surprise mini-invasion in 1995. Then in 2002, all parties agreed to a status quo. It largely held. Until now. POLITICAL CONTEXT: Last year, Manila accused Chinese vessels of blocking its energy exploration ships in Philippine waters and firing to scare away Philippine fishermen. It was just a year after Philippine President Benigno Aquino III took office promising to fight corruption and restore national dignity. His predecessor, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, was accused of cozying up to Beijing and corrupt deals with Chinese investors. Contracts were scrapped, and Aquino turned to the country's traditional ally, the United States, just as President Barack Obama sought to re-engage in Asia. On the other hand, China — as a rising economic and military power — is asserting territorial claims and in no mood to show weakness. OVERLAPPING CLAIMS: Scarborough Shoal lies within Manila's 370-kilometer (230-mile) exclusive economic zone, recognized under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea. But China says the Philippines is misinterpreting the law. Beijing's position is based on ancient maps, though it's unclear how much weight they carry today. China's map submitted to the U.N. in 2009 claims virtually the entire South China Sea, but Beijing has failed to clarify the exact extent of its claims. It turned down a Philippine invitation for international arbitration. U.S. ROLE: Manila feels — and so does China — that the Philippines has U.S. backing. That's true up to a point. The U.S. is obligated to defend the Philippines from outside aggression under a defense treaty, and has close ties with Manila's security forces in their fight against southern Muslim militants. Recently, Washington has helped modernize the poorly armed Philippine forces, particularly the navy. Washington angered Beijing in 2010 when it declared that unimpeded commerce and resolution of disputes in the South China Sea are in the U.S. interest. But the U.S. — with ever-increasing economic ties to China — has always maintained it is not taking sides. GAS AND OIL FACTOR: Some of the tensions involve competition for petroleum. However, it isn't clear how much the region holds and most published surveys suggest little evidence of substantial reserves apart from natural gas. The overlapping territorial claims make exploratory drilling difficult. The Philippines' Malampaya and Camago fields, containing up to 4.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, are in waters claimed by China. Still, Manila has developed the fields and built a pipeline that already delivers gas that has become vital to its economy. But a Philippine plan to invite bids to explore two other areas has drawn strong Chinese protests and fears of escalating confrontations. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04...#ixzz1tCuudOGv From FOX News |
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MILF chief welcomes peace talks breakthrough
ABS-CBNnews.com Posted at 04/26/2012 9:46 PM | Updated as of 04/27/2012 3:08 AM MANILA, Philippines - Moro rebel chief Al Haj Murad sees the signing of a peace agreement framework with the government as a "breakthrough." Murad, chairman of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), urged his followers to "pray for more success of the talks, but do not overexpect." The Philippine government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front have agreed on "10 decision points on principles" that will guide succeeding negotiations on the substantive agenda for peace negotiations. The decision points include an agreement that both parties "will work for the creation of a new autonomous political entity in place of the ARMM" and that "the new autonomous political entity shall have a ministerial form of government." The "GPH-MILF Decision Points on Principles as of April 2012" was signed at the conclusion of the 27th formal exploratory talks on April 24 held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. It was signed by Leonen and MILF panel chairman Mohagher Iqbal. Signing as witness was Malaysian facilitator Tengku Dato AB Ghafar Tengku Mohamed. "This is a breakthrough in the almost two-year draught in talks under the Aquino administration. A far-sighted shift from the '3-for-1' formula to put back on track the continuity of the negotiation process is a leap forward," Murad said on the rebel group's website luwaran.com. "The real test of success of the talks hinges on the conclusion of agreements on the substantive issues like power-sharing, wealth sharing, extent of territory of the new Moro entity," he said. Murad added that part of the MILF's larger agenda that should be focus of the talks is "the actual empowerment of the Moros to exercise self-governance." Maulana Alonto, a member of the MILF Peace Panel, said on the rebel group's website that peace agreement framework is vital to the success of the negotiation for a new political entity in the form of a Moro substate that would replace the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao (ARMM). "This new substate political entity requires transitional or interim mechanisms that would ensure the success of the ministerial form of Bangsamoro government to be established," he said. In other news, Hope this ends and brings unity among us Filipinos! |
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They're already engaged in a dispute in the Yellow Sea. Japan, as much as the Philippines is also feeling the pressure Beijing gives them.
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US wants China to resolve sea dispute through peaceful dialogue
By Joseph Lariosa The Philippine Star April 26, 2012 http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63 The US State Department wants the Philippines’ dispute with China over the latter’s intrusion into Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal resolved “through dialogue and consensual means.” Victoria Nuland, US State Department spokesperson, said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has made it clear in her meetings with her Chinese counterparts that issues involving the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) should be tackled with restraint and resolved peacefully. “In general, in all of the most recent meetings that Secretary Clinton has had with Chinese counterparts, whether they were here, whether they were in China, whether they were in multilateral fora, she has reiterated our interest in deepening and broadening mechanisms within ASEAN, within regional fora, and bilaterally for solving these things consensually, not by force, calling for restraint by all sides. That’s where we are on this particular one and where I’m sure we’ll be in Beijing next week,” she said. A transcript of Monday’s daily briefing showed that Clinton and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner will be in Beijing on May 3-4 for the fourth round of the US-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. Clinton and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta will also be meeting on April 30 in Washington with Philippine Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario and Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin. The April 30 meeting is a follow up to the January meeting between Assistant Secretary of State Kurt Campbell and Acting Assistant Secretary of Defense Peter Lavoy and their Filipino counterparts, Foreign Affairs Undersecretary Erlinda Basilio and Defense Undersecretary Pio Lorenzo Batino. The January dialogue, according to the State Department, reinforced “the significance of our Mutual Defense Treaty as the basis for the alliance and the treaty’s continued relevance to the peace, security, and prosperity of the Asia-Pacific. We are committed to further enhance cooperation, including in security, defense, commerce, law enforcement, human rights, and disaster relief. We agreed to deepen and broaden our maritime security cooperation.” During the dialogue, the US and the Philippines also reaffirmed their commitment to fulfill the objective of the Manila Declaration through an invigorated and expanded alliance. “We emphasized the importance of deepening bilateral trade and investment ties to increase prosperity for the people in both countries. We reviewed our ongoing collaboration in the Partnership for Growth and the Millennium Challenge Corporation,” the two parties declared. “We recognized the efforts being taken by the Philippine government in resolving human rights cases and discussed positive developments in the prosecution of abuses. We emphasized a mutual commitment to these efforts,” the US representatives said. |
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China OKs project on disputed South China Sea isle
Philstar April 27, 2012 http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...CategoryId=200 China has approved a development project that would support tourism and fishing around South China Sea islands, a move likely to inflame territorial disputes. Southernmost Hainan province wants to build a supply dock over more than 823 acres of water off Jinqing island, part of the Paracel chain. Vietnam claims the Paracels as its territory and has protested China's tourism plans there. The State Oceanic Administration said Thursday it agreed "in principle" to Hainan's proposal. It is considering a proposal for another supply dock in the South China Sea, the statement said without elaborating. Hainan Vice Governor Tan Li has said he was determined to start tourism development in the Paracel Islands this year. The Paracels and other territory in the South China Sea are claimed variously by China, Vietnam and four other nations for their potential oil and gas deposits, rich fishing grounds and proximity to busy commercial sea lanes. Also on Thursday, the Philippines said China violated a 2002 pact when Chinese government ships prevented Filipino authorities from arresting Chinese fishermen at a disputed shoal this month. Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said in Manila that China's aggressive actions at the Scarborough Shoal violated an accord between China and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations that discourages aggressive acts in the South China Sea. Del Rosario said Manila would consider any ASEAN offer to intercede to end the shoal dispute, which began April 10. |
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I can't believe what I'm witnessing here! People are losing national pride and patriotism, wanting to be colonized again by the United States just because China is bullying us? What if Americans started to abuse Filipinos like what the Spaniards did for 333 years? I bet everybody will fight for freedom.
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Lord Amandil Lopez V
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I am not totally sold to the idea of ultra-nationalism. One step further and we'd end up as Fascists. I for one would've been leaning on the idea of being part of the United States. But as much as possible, it is still better to be patriotic for the country.
This may be attributed to the lack of political maturity that Filipinos have. Perhaps because of what shit-hole the Philippines is in right now. We had the chance to prove ourselves. There wasn't much of a change even after a CENTURY has passed. The same things happen over and over again. I'll have to express my dissatisfaction of how this country has been since its independence. Quezon's words have become a curse that haunted us even after his death. Indeed, this country has been run like hell towards a future that is almost uncertain. Until there is real change, until there is evident transformation and positive change, I will have to be sold to the idea of going back to America if that be the best choice to take.
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I am not really sold on being a "Commonwealth" again either and I'm pretty sure Papa Sugar isn't either, (given our numerous problems nowadays ![]() ![]() )However, I decry anything that says we have been abused by Papa Sugar (excluding the Fil-Am war, of course) during all those years under Papa's wing. Truth is, I am not saying there weren't all mistakes. But we weren't really more or less abused by them or the Spaniards (it was really the Church's fault, mostly ).
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That best choice is not the best solution! You're enslaving our countrymen by being colonized again. Who do you really think will benefit from the new laws, constitution, and our resources when this happen? There will definitely be abuses and discrimination.
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Well practically all Filipinos want to migrate there anyway. If push comes to shove, would you rather be a Chinese state or a US state? Our culture is already influenced by American culture. OUr institutions and laws are patterned after the United states. If we can get the same rights as any other US states then I don't see why it would be so bad. The US will help develop the PHils and to become a developed state and we can in turn reciprocate by adding to the coffers of the US. I don't know though with our high population, I'm sure they will not allow migration to the mainland or limited migration with strings.
There is also xenophobia in US society . What the citizens want in any country anyway is peace, freedom and good quality of life. We are not getting that in the PHils the way the rich elites are managing the country. We are just slaves and cheap labor to the big businesses and the govt. does not care. If we don't and cannot strengthen our country , we will always be subjected to bullies , if not China somebody else. LIke a sick and weakly kid who attracts bullies, what happens when big brother is no longer around.
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Enrile: Strong case for PH ownership of Scarborough
by David Dizon, ABS-CBNnews.com Posted at 04/27/2012 3:37 PM | Updated as of 04/27/2012 3:37 PM MANILA, Philippines - Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile on Friday said he believes the Philippines has a strong case in claiming ownership of Scarborough shoal. Enrile said the Philippines has a strong case against China. He said that in his studies on Philippine territories, both the Scarborough shoal and the Recto Bank, otherwise known as the Reed Bank, could actually be part of the country’s continental shelf. “We have a good case over Scarborough Shoal over China as well as over the Reed Bank.I could not believe that a nation almost 1,000 nautical miles away from the Scarborough Shoal and the Reed Bank could overwhelm the rights of the nearest sovereign state like the Republic of the Philippines in these places,” he said at the hearing of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. The senator ordered the Department of Foreign Affairs and all concerned government agencies to disclose how they intend to prove ownership of Scarborough shoal before an international court. He said the arguments for the Philippines should be consolidated in one confidential document, which will then be submitted to the Senate for review. He said the paper should contain inputs from the academe. “I could not believe that simply because the South China Sea was named after China, as well as the North China Sea, that all the islands embraced by it, including the Republic of the Philippines would be owned by China,” he said during Friday’s hearing. “Otherwise if that argument is correct, then the whole Indian Ocean named after India… India could claim all the islands embraced by the Indian Ocean,” he added. History of occupation Prof. Rommel Banlaoi backed Enrile’s statement, saying that historical records of territorial disputes settled peacefully “show that the main decision of the historical body is to establish effective occupation like in the case of Indonesia and Malaysia on claims over Sipadan.” The International Court of Justice awarded Sipadan to Malaysia due to its effective occupation of the island. Banlaoi said Scarborough shoal or Bajo de Masinloc was used as an exercise area of parties involved in the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization in 1954. He said that when the United States had military bases in the Philippines, the shoal was used as a gunnery range by Philippine and US soldiers. He said the Philippines also erected a lighthouse on the shoal to establish the country’s occupation. “Before the US bases agreement was terminated in 1991, we issued a notice to mariners in 1990 that we have a lighthouse in Bajo de Masinloc and told the international community about its exact coordinates,” he said. In 1995, the lighthouse was removed from the shoal probably due to weather. A year later, China put a stone marker in Scarborough, which was removed by the Philippines in 1997. “I am telling this in order to tell our audience that in the basis of the Philippines’ claim, we are trying to claim our effective occupation,” he said. ‘Why not internationalize issue?’ 'China won't dare attack PH' During the hearing, Enrile also took exception to Beijing’s statement that the Philippines must not “internationalize” the issue by bringing in other states that have no claim over the disputed territory. “In this issue if South China Sea escalates, we cannot avoid internationalizing this. This is one reason why China will not dare fire on any military vessel in that area because we have an alliance with an equal superpower in the world,” he said. “If China makes the error of firing at us, it will come under the ambit of the Mutual Defense Treaty,” he added, referring to the US-Philippines defense treaty. The Senate president said the Philippine government must assert its claim over Scarborough shoal not through military means but politically in the field of world public opinion. Bring dispute to ITLOS He lauded the Department of Foreign Affairs for seeking a resolution of the sea dispute before the International Tribunal of the Law of the Sea (ITLOS). “Why the call not to internationalize the issue? Because politically, China will lose in this particular game. It shows it is not willing to submit itself to international conventions and customary international law in resolving its disputes. It will in time exert a pressure on China. We have to fight it politically,” he said. “The move of the Philippine government is a good move to bring it to the highest international forum or the International Court of Justice to show that we abide by the rules of civilized international relations in settling international disputes,” he added. “Let China show its real nature, if it does, of an expansionist government or society. I don’t think they would want that image in the world.” |
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Well, they are wrong choosing us to be bullied.. a very bad decision.. alam mo naman madaldal tayo eh.. itsitsismis na naten sila sa international community..
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Filipino Twins Launch New Assault Rifle Now Used By SWAT In US
Filipino twins Ferdinand and Francis Sy, born and raised in Cebu, south of Manila, have launched after four years of rigorous research and development both in the United States and in the Philippines, a modern combat weapon ‘that is accurate, easy to use and durable’ they aptly called ‘the Ferfrans Special Operations Assault Rifle or the Ferfrans SOAR.’ Derived from their first names, the brothers, who became adept after a long-time fascination for guns, pursued to create their new rifle design in a ‘mission’ to give an edge to the Philippines National Police-Special Action Force in combat weaponry, after reports in the 90s about a controversial armed robbery in the country where the local police were outgunned by robbers. Ferdinand said one of the unique features of their new design was the weapon’s ‘rate reduction system,’ “What it does is it reduces the rate of fire, full auto fire to about 550 to 600 rounds per minute. A regular M4 will fire around 900 to a thousand rounds per minute. The rifle in full auto, it tends to climb up on you. With the rate reduction system in junction with the muzzle break, what it does is you have a better control of the weapon because it controls the muzzle rise and at the same it slows down the full auto fire, so now you can control it and point the weapon on fire at exactly the same place even in full auto fire. It will not climb up on you. So it's the combination of the rate reduction system and the muzzle break.” This feature has made the 'new' weapon popular among enthusiasts here and abroad that it was now being used by several Special Weapons and Tactics or SWAT teams in the US, as well as the Chief Protection Unit of the Los Angeles Police Department. Countries like Malaysia, Indonesia and Peru have also made their orders for the rifle. LINK
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nationalism believes things are constant, not just alliances, but people, identity, language, etc.. but those things are always changing. these days the meaning of borders have changed. Everything moves between them, except people.. and that's because governments want to control labor, especially labor prices. the other thing that has prevented devolution to city-states is nationalism. However the way things are going, cities are having more and more power as more people move into them.. and most of China will be concentrated in a few large metropolis', just as how 1/3rd of Japan is in Tokyo and 1/2 of Koreans are in Seoul. This means that eventually (and perhaps already) Chinese in these mega urban regions will feel more connected to foreign cities in other mega regions and not to other Chinese outside of it.. and you'll probably see some conflict between these two groups if not already. China and its neighbors may have some significant issues over its maritime territories, but its main problems is within (Vietnam too for that matter). |
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![]() ![]() now that you mentioned it, this concept of the Nation State as a political unit was actually imposed on Southeast Asia by European colonials over the last 500 years. To wit, the current so called "National" borders of Indonesia (drawn by the Portuguese and later refined by the Dutch), Malaysia (Truly British in fabrication) and the Philippines (Truly Hispanic were its original borders). So in that sense, I can easily detach the word Nationalism from Patriotism, if it (Nationalism) meant The National Borders vis-a-vis Patriotism, now this one is much closer to the heart because it pertains to birthplace, one's native land where one grew up in childhood, familiar environments, sounds and culture. I might actually feel like an alien in unfamiliar (but supposedly "within" the National Borders) provinces like Ilocos or the ARMM where I dont speak a word of the local culture. On the other hand, I would feel almost exactly at home in any typical Latino blue collar neighbourhood in Los Angeles or heck even in Mexico City D.F. where I actually felt at home within hours... ![]() Many get confused by the similar notions of Nationalism vis-a-vis Patriotism. But I tend to associate Patriotism much, much closer to the heartland near one's birthplace and familiar sounds and environments one grew up in childhood. In SSC Philippines 'tis commonly called Regionalism but most regionalists also uphold or extend the Patriotic concept to a National Level perhaps out of common courtesy to traditions or what not. But when I think of The National Borders, heck I also cannot dissociate the fact that The National Borders were established at a time when it was also called Las Fronteras Nacionales and encompassed a huge expanse of real estate covering current day Philippines, Guam, Marianas, Sabah and the Spratlys. jejeje
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If our country will become a State under USA then we are not a US Colony. Although I do not agree with it, lagi ko naiisip ang mga pinoy na nagpapakahirap magapply ng visa papunta US... Nung first time ko magapply ng Visa sa US, ang agad na pumasok sa utak ko eh, tama ba ang decision ng mga leaders natin dati na humingi ng independence sa US kung lahat naman tayo eh gusto magkaroon ng US Visa... sad but true...
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siguro masarap maging state ng US no? pero same FILIPINO cultute.. para wala ng magreklamo na nahihirapan sila sa pilipinas..ayw nio nun magiging GOVERNOR na lng si noynoying..
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