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View Poll Results: Which proposal is the best
Design A 78 32.91%
Design B 6 2.53%
Design C 42 17.72%
Design D 95 40.08%
None of them 16 6.75%
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Old April 11th, 2007, 07:46 AM   #61
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Based on those pictures posted by Hala, each proposal seems conceived with a design theme.
Proposal A - blue sky, openness, and get connected...
Proposal B - efficiency, practicality, typical of HK style...
Proposal C - essence of Chinese Feng Shui to make the complex environmentally sustainable (though the buildings look like tumbling -> structurally unsustainable?)
Proposal D - the image of HK in the eyes of tourists: the Junk and 'Pearl of Orient' (the ball shape building).

The themes of proposal A and B are better then the latter two when it comes to government office design.

Notably on proposal D, which I will consider the least imaginative (pardon me for offending some of the forumers here), the image of the Junk and Pearl of Orient is obsolete, outdated and a reminder of the pre-handover colonial status of HK in the British Empire . In fact, HK already has got a Junk-shape building not far away -> the AIA Building. The ball-shape design also has been much abused in other China cities, in particular Shanghai which always reminisces once being the jewel of crown in the Orient.

My personal preference is proposal B which indeed blends very well with surrounding buildings and the landscaping design is magnificent (compared to other 3). Though aesthetically the building of propoal B does not STRIKE as impressively as that of proposal A.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 03:21 AM   #62
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Who will choose and when will we know the result?
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Old April 12th, 2007, 03:34 AM   #63
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One thing though, the tourism board still uses the junk as its logo, although I understand your perception of the colonial hints.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 06:27 AM   #64
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I don't like any of them much personally. I think its great how they all incorporate water though.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 01:27 PM   #65
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Yes, since the site faces the water, integrating it with the waterfront was a key design component. Notice many designs actually have a very wide bridge from the lobby across the street to the harbour.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 02:28 PM   #66
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Proposal D - the image of HK in the eyes of tourists: the Junk and 'Pearl of Orient' (the ball shape building).... Notably on proposal D, which I will consider the least imaginative (pardon me for offending some of the forumers here), the image of the Junk and Pearl of Orient is obsolete, outdated and a reminder of the pre-handover colonial status of HK in the British Empire. In fact, HK already has got a Junk-shape building not far away -> the AIA Building. The ball-shape design also has been much abused in other China cities, in particular Shanghai which always reminisces once being the jewel of crown in the Orient.
I disagree with this. Junks are traditional Chinese boats and had been used along the China coast for centuries before the British arrived in Hong Kong. The "Pearl of the Orient" may be cliched but it's also romantic and attractive (and those qualities are worth $$$ in tourist revenues). And what would you replace it with? Some naff slogan like "live it, love it!"? No-one knows or cares about these marketting catchphrases. Tourism is an important industry to Hong Kong but it's a competitive market. There are, after all, countless other appealing destinations too. Hong Kong needs to have something distinctive, appealing, and recognisable and the image of the junk in the harbour set against a background of skyscrapers with the mountains behind is the most famous, recognised, and attractive icon of Hong Kong.

In reality I doubt many tourists will even recognise building D as a junk. I like it simply because it's by far the most attractive design. The others look orthodox, conservative, and uninspired. No-one will even notice them. Hong Kong has great skyscrapers but in some ways it lacks urban variety. Other styles and architectural forms are quite few and far between. That's why I think D has the most to offer.

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Old April 12th, 2007, 02:39 PM   #67
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"live it, love it!"?
is that a sly dig at Leeds Monkey?





Also, I'd like the harbourfront reclamation (not just the tamar site), to include an area of al fresco restaurants a la circular quay in Sydney, in the mould of the Yacht Club restaurant in CWB.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 07:40 PM   #68
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Also, I'd like the harbourfront reclamation (not just the tamar site), to include an area of al fresco restaurants a la circular quay in Sydney, in the mould of the Yacht Club restaurant in CWB.
Design D incorporates a terrace-style restaurant complex along the waterfront.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 07:50 PM   #69
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ahh excellent.

also, if they want to promote the harbour as an area of recreation/entertainment/park area, then they really should do something about cleaning up the harbour - and I mean serious work, not just the vague stuff they do now.
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:23 PM   #70
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B,

I have no comment at all for this design. It just like shopping mail.
But the idea of planting trees is good!

A,

I dont think the buildings look like CCTV tower in Beijing.. But, i do think it is very similar to La Grande Arche in Paris.

At the beginning, i think that this design is the best one But after watching the video and the pics, i think that this design does not intergrate into the environment and the LegCo building does not suit the style of the main building. (While other buildings in the poposal are designed based on boxes, the LegCo building has round structure.)
Moreover, I think that the green area of A is good, but i start to think that grass platfrom may not be accepted for Hongkongers and there are no trees!
I believe that noone will sit on this platform under sun exposeure and 3X degree. But, the idea of connection from Queensway to the seaside is great.

D,

After rejecting A for the best one, i started thinking of D.
For D, the circular-seaside-footbridge is amazing for me, but, it may not be a part of the contract.
For myself, the building is quite special and acceptable.
The theme is clear and observable, although it seems like a casino.
But after looking at the video, i find out that the buildings are too high that the Far East Finace Centre and other buildings in Queensway will be hided from the point of view of tsimshatsui.
So, i stopped thinking of D.

C,

At first, i think that the designer of C is just crazy.
But after rejecting all other designs, i start take a look on C.
I found that the green area is quite a large proportion of tamar site and there are trees, although i do not like the design as it is as usual as other places in HK.
Looking at the design, I found that none of the buildings in Queensway will be hided by the design and it is highly intergrated into the background when people looking from Tsimshatsui. And, from central, people can enjoy another unforgettable view from the horizontal side of the building.
However, i think that the office of CE is a bit strange from the whole design.

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So, to conclude, I think the perfect design should have C's main buildings, D's seaside-footbridge, A's green area connection, and B's planting trees idea!
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Old April 12th, 2007, 08:26 PM   #71
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is that a sly dig at Leeds Monkey?
No it's HKTA's slogan for Hong Kong.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 04:14 AM   #72
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I disagree with this. Junks are traditional Chinese boats and had been used along the China coast for centuries before the British arrived in Hong Kong. The "Pearl of the Orient" may be cliched but it's also romantic and attractive (and those qualities are worth $$$ in tourist revenues). And what would you replace it with? Some naff slogan like "live it, love it!"? No-one knows or cares about these marketting catchphrases. Tourism is an important industry to Hong Kong but it's a competitive market. There are, after all, countless other appealing destinations too. Hong Kong needs to have something distinctive, appealing, and recognisable and the image of the junk in the harbour set against a background of skyscrapers with the mountains behind is the most famous, recognised, and attractive icon of Hong Kong.

In reality I doubt many tourists will even recognise building D as a junk. I like it simply because it's by far the most attractive design. The others look orthodox, conservative, and uninspired. No-one will even notice them. Hong Kong has great skyscrapers but in some ways it lacks urban variety. Other styles and architectural forms are quite few and far between. That's why I think D has the most to offer.
No one will dispute the importance of tourism to HK. But we are talking about the design of government office building. Proposal D may not be a bad idea for locations across the habour or somewhere else NOT in the heart of financial and administrative district.

One thing though is about the ball shape structure, which indeed is ubiquitous in many Chinese cities, like Dalian and Qingdao, not to mention Shanghai. Why? All these cities promote themselves being some kind of pearl --> Dalian being the pearl of North, Qingdao or Tianjin being pearl of Bohai area, and Shanghai.... Perhaps such pearls-like buildings are more difficult to clean, most of them lack the lustre that one would expect. I do not think such design inspirational at all, especially to those tourists from the mainland! On the other hand, HK may do better than those mainland cities by creating a more glamorous pearl!
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Old April 13th, 2007, 04:18 AM   #73
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I'm pretty sure HKTA's slogan for HK was "Asia's world city". Unless they've recently changed it. In fact, I met the guy who was in charge of the HKTA's branding scheme for HK about 6 years ago.. forgot his name however.


Leeds however uses the slogan "live it, love it"... in fact, it's almost all over the place over here.
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I'm pretty sure HKTA's slogan for HK was "Asia's world city". Unless they've recently changed it. In fact, I met the guy who was in charge of the HKTA's branding scheme for HK about 6 years ago.. forgot his name however.


Leeds however uses the slogan "live it, love it"... in fact, it's almost all over the place over here.
http://www.hkta.org/login.html
you can see the slogan here. HKTA has used it for about 3-4 years, but i am not sure when they started to use it.

Asia's world city is another slogan here.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 06:16 PM   #75
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D! no doubt about that.
I think it mix with the rest of the area pretty well, and the design is just great.
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Old April 13th, 2007, 07:21 PM   #76
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I like C!!! So nice and beautiful!!
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Old April 13th, 2007, 07:27 PM   #77
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My favorite...
1) D - looks really good with existing skyline, adds a bit of an organic feel and shape.

2) A - looks like it has good fung shui! Channels the energy and the 'flow'

3) C - looks like the government is in a mess! Everything seems to be toppling!

4) B - Yawn!
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Old April 17th, 2007, 07:23 PM   #78
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Old April 19th, 2007, 09:12 AM   #79
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Public needs background to judge Tamar proposals fairly
13 April 2007
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Proposals for the new Tamar government headquarters are finally on show. All four presentations offer eye-catching perspectives - with narrated, computer-animated walkthroughs and site models representing its size and form in its immediate city context. After the first dazzling array of renderings, as you look closer and harder, an image begins to emerge.

The projects come across as slightly restrained and conservative, in terms of the expression of forms and the treatment of space. This is not to say that the proposals are not highly professional, but they appear to be the best pragmatic solutions rather than efforts at the iconic and truly inspirational. To satisfy everyone would indeed be nearly impossible, and we must hail our architects for doing a good job in the face of such differing opinions.

In major civic projects anywhere, design is often a heated subject. Architects must try to solve pragmatic concerns, and some even see them as sources of inspiration. After all, solving them is part of the job. When civic projects of this stature use invited or open competitions, only architects tend to be involved. Architects - being the creators of buildings - are best suited for this initial, conceptual role. For Tamar, the government chose to combine the roles of architects and contractors in a "design-and-build" process. As a result, architects had to balance concerns of the community with the feuding interests of other parties in the consortium.

Fair enough: architects need to design buildings that can actually be built. But when you hamstring their creativity and innovativeness with so much baggage at this early stage, then the full potential of the work will not be realised. This should serve as a lesson that future civic-design projects should be the product of open competition.

To help the public judge these works fairly, the government should consider providing more information and assessment criteria for people to consider when viewing the results.

This way, the public won't have to judge the entries merely on subjective grounds, but could engage in a public consultation process that is helpful and meaningful.

Michael Wing C. Kwok, Central
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I like D the best. I hope D is the winning proposal.
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