Lal Masjid Crew's Annihilation: Live Updates (18+ only)

[Sikandar]

I've pretty much had it with this shit. If the people who did this - women included - are not put behind bars for at least one year then that will speak volumes of the control Islamabad has over its own city, nevermind the rest of the country. I'm not saying brothels should be tolerated in any way, but the government needs to make an example of the lunatics who organized this and put a check on it before it gets worse. I know people in Pakistan are also annoyed and shocked over this development and won't tolerate similiar situations in the future, so who's going to step up and put these people where they belong?

What do you guys think?

[UnitedPakistan]

ISI should kidnap them and show them the new torture cells...

These bitches need to be dealt with and the madrassa needs to be burned down.

[Sikandar]

hahaha.. thora easy lehlo UP. :P I should also add that it is perfectly okay in Islam to tear a masjid or madressa down.. they're not shrines for God's sake.. they're simply buildings built by humans.. gives an idea of how far away from true Islam these people are.

[ArchiPak]

what is this about?

[Sikandar]

Originally Posted by ArchiPak

what is this about?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6507205.stm

It's all over the news..

[Bombay Boy]

they look like ninjas in that article. yee-haa!

[SomeCanuckDude]

From the BBC article:

The students have asked for action against 'immoral acts' in the capital

Talking about these vigilantes going on a rampage to curb 'immoral acts'... isn't Lal Masjid built on forcibly confiscated public property... Hypocrite be thy name

[vazim]

yesterday ARY interviewed Maulvi Abdul Rasheed (incharge lal mosque). that stupid Maulvi totally justified his acts in accordance to the islam.
He said that when a mosque is built whether on legal or illegal land or on the centre of the road, it cannot be demolished.
He said he has rightly kidnapped the woman, her daughters and step daughter since they were running a brothel and will only release if they promise to not to involve in immoral activities anymore & because government failed to control this, it is his religious obligation to do such acts and will continue to do so in future.

shoot the bastard Maulvi

[Sikandar]

Funny parody of just exactly what this maulvi is doing.. committing Bidah and being too stupid to realize it.

[ArchiPak]

What kind of bullshit is this?

[vazim]

Police give in to Jamia Hafsa students


By Shakeel Anjum & Mobarik A Virk

ISLAMABAD: Female students of Jamia Hafsa seminary, backed by male students of other Madrassas, prevailed on the Islamabad police after a daylong showdown here on Wednesday.

The trouble started when the seminary students and teachers, supported by their patrons in Lal Masjid, decided to take the “community correction role” in their hands and kidnapped an old woman, her young daughter and daughter-in-law on Tuesday night blaming them for “immoral activities” in the area.

The Islamabad police and the district administration started negotiations with the Lal Masjid management to get the three women released. However, the students as well as their patrons refused to cooperate with the authorities.

In a “tit-for-tat” move the police picked up two female teachers and as many drivers of the Jamia Hafsa seminary who were busy threatening the shopkeepers selling video and audio CDs in a local market at 9.30am on Wednesday. The teachers were identified as Tasleem Bibi and Saeeda Bibi while the drivers were identified as Muhammad Ayub and Zabta Khan.

This complicated the situation as the male and female students retaliated by kidnapping two police officials and confiscating two official police vehicles — one belonging to the Punjab police and the other to the Islamabad police at 12.30 pm on Wednesday.

The male students belonging to different Madrassas blocked roads to protest the police action. The Islamabad police high-ups, it was reliably learnt, ordered the Station House Officer (SHO) of the Aabpara police station to take action and get the policemen — Constable Kaamal Abbas (Islamabad police) and Hamad Raza (Punjab police) — released from the custody of the students who had taken the men and vehicles inside Jamia Hafsa.

However, the SHO showed reluctance because he did not have enough force to deal with any untoward situation. Subsequently the SHO was suspended, it was learnt. It was also learnt that the government came under immense pressure from unknown quarters that the federal interior secretary, in a top-level meeting, ordered release of the teachers and drivers “unconditionally” expecting the Jamia Hafsa administration would reciprocate the “peace gesture”.

The Islamabad police released the two female teachers and the drivers who had been taken into custody for creating disturbances in a busy city market. The detainees were released from the Aabpara police station around 7.30pm.

The seminary students released the two police constables, along with their vehicles at 9.30pm, who were kidnapped earlier in the day. However, the three women, who were kidnapped by the students of different Madrassas of Islamabad on Tuesday night from a thickly populated locality of sector G-6/1, were still not released.

It was also learnt that the Lal Masjid management had also included the names of Khalid Khawaja, Asmatullah, Shamsuddin, Ismail, Najeeb, Ghulam Nabi and Mohammad Umar, the men taken into custody by the government on various charges in the past, in the list of the persons that they have submitted to the government for release as a condition to the release the policemen.

The female students of Jamia Hafsa came into limelight after they forcibly took over the only Children’s Library in the federal capital. They have still not vacated the building. There was hardly any government official available to give the exact picture of the situation and answer questions of mediapersons.

It could not be known as to why the Islamabad police has yet not registered the case of “kidnapping” against those who forcibly picked up the three women from their home. It could not be ascertained if any case was being registered for kidnapping the two police officials and confiscating police vehicles.

It could not be known if any case was registered against the two female teachers who tried to create a law and order situation in a local market. In a late night move an official in the Islamabad administration claimed that a case has been registered against Maulana Abdul Aziz, Ghazi Abdur Rashid and some others and that the FIR has been sealed.

APP adds: The Islamabad Capital Territory (ICT) administration in a statement on Wednesday explained the official position regarding the Jamia Hafsa issue. In a statement it said the girl students of Jamia Hafsa and students of Lal Masjid have been threatening the owners of video shops for the last three days in markets of the federal capital.

The statement said that House No 303, Cat-111 at Street No 87,G-6/1-4, has been allotted to Kamran after the death of his father Matloob Hussain Naqvi. Kamran is a government servant and is performing his duties as Upper Division Clerk at Government Girls High School Bari Imam.

On Monday, a group of girl students from Jamia Hafsa went to the house of Kamran and questioned about the character of his mother and also intimidated her. On Tuesday around 7.45pm, the girl students along with some young persons again visited the same house in two vehicles and forcibly picked up Shamim widow of Matloob Hussain, her daughter-in-law Nadia Batool, w/o Kamran, Sadaf Fatima and six-month old daughter of Kamran.

They kept them hostage at Lal Mosque and they were still in their custody on Wednesday. The Islamabad administration tried hard to settle the issue through dialogue and in this connection, Assistant Commissioner Rana Akbar Hayat and City Magistrate Khan Farasat held talks with Ghazi Abdur Rasheed.

In the meantime, the students of Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa took two vehicles of the police into their custody and drove these inside the Masjid premises. One vehicle belongs to the Punjab police with its driver Hamad Raza while the second is owned by Security Division Islamabad with driver Qamar Abbas.

The administration of Lal Masjid which consists of Maulana Abdul Aziz and Maulana Abdur Rasheed have also launched an illegal FM Radio service with its transmissions aired on FM Channel 92-96, the statement said. The Islamabad police have arrested two students of Lal Masjid and another two of Jamia Hafsa, while the Islamabad administration is trying to resolve the matter through negotiations.

[siamu maharaj]

How is the Lal Mosque related to the prostitute? Or are they two different incidents?

And I just hope these vigilantes roast slowly over fire. Mullahs disgust me.

[siamu maharaj]

Ok, I just read it. But what does it have to do with tearing down the mosque? Sorry about my ignorance, but somehow I am not in the know on these news.

Anyway, this whole incident is shameful. This rise of Mullahism in Pakistan is very tragic. Why can't they just shove their beliefs up their asses? I can do whatever I want, or someone else for that matter. No one's any Mullah's goddamn property. I wish death upon all of them.

[Sikandar]

This particular mosque was built illegally on encroached-upon property and is hence earmarked for destruction. This would be the case even if it was filled with peace-loving people who mind their own business, but it's not. These are the same people who attacked the Diplomatic Enclave during the Muhammad-cartoon controversy. They've even started visiting local shops and asking them to refrain from "un-Islamic" practices, which sounds pretty unbelievable considering it's Islamabad, but it's true.

You can find the Lal Mosque on Google Earth easily in G6, just south of the Markaz and Holiday Inn. It's easy to see the slum village that's been illegally put up next to the Mosque because it looks terrible amongst the well-planned neighbourhoods of Islamabad. Basically these people are living on prime, and I mean PRIME Islamabad land for free, not paying for anything under the "name of Islam".

Further, knowing very well about the judicial crisis currently enveloping Islamabad since they basically live right next door to the Supreme Court, these cowards found this to be the ideal time to make a statement, knowing the police and government had their hands tied up. These people have absolutely no respect for our country, its government, its land, its image, or its people.

In a way I'm glad that this has grabbed the attention of the Pakistani public and gives them a sneak peek into what what kind of values and respect these people have for Pakistan and their understanding of due process and a fair trial.

[Sikandar]

Even if they claim to be carrying out law enforcement when the police couldn't do so, they probably picked the worst time possible to make such a claim. It further proves that all they care about is grabbing some media attention while the journalists and cameras are already in Islamabad for the protests concerning the Chief Justice issue.. while at the same time having some breathing space since the police are occupied with more critical areas. I hope the government and police don't forget about these jaahils once the CJ issue is over, and this extremist breeding ground is finally removed.

[Sikandar]

The two spots in the middle of the image are next to the Lal Mosque and adjacent slum on Municipal Road. Holiday Inn is directly to the north. That huge patch of land across the street looks very inviting. The government should construct the world's biggest speaker and aim it directly at the slum, and just play Quranic verses from Isha to Fajr.

[Sikandar]

Although it is definitely extremist and they don't need to go that far, the Pakistanis should take a page out of Israel's book on how to deal with this kind of stuff. I don't mean the wall, but the utterly devastating and heavy-handed response to any sort of irritation whatsoever. It sounds wrong but it's hard to argue that it doesn't work. When something like this happens, you make it a HUGE deal. When a suicide bomber kills a soldier, that is a HUGE deal. When one of yours is taken hostage.. HUGE deal. Heads will roll kind of stuff. Whoever ordered the assassination of Nawab Akbar Bugti was headed in the right direction, even though it was heavy handed, it was the strongest message Pakistan sent in years. "Soft image", honestly, fu** the image and act like the Muslim-version of Israel, at least until we get our balls back.

[machatha]

what happened to the writ of govt...

[adil]

Holy sh!t. What the hell is going on in Pakistan.
Looks like a war of ideologies is inevitable. If these people are ready to be violent than secular Pakistan must be ready to fight these bastard Mullahs. Fight fire with fire.
Kill them all.

[HasanB]

Originally Posted by Sikandar

Although it is definitely extremist and they don't need to go that far, the Pakistanis should take a page out of Israel's book on how to deal with this kind of stuff. I don't mean the wall, but the utterly devastating and heavy-handed response to any sort of irritation whatsoever. It sounds wrong but it's hard to argue that it doesn't work. When something like this happens, you make it a HUGE deal. When a suicide bomber kills a soldier, that is a HUGE deal. When one of yours is taken hostage.. HUGE deal. Heads will roll kind of stuff. Whoever ordered the assassination of Nawab Akbar Bugti was headed in the right direction, even though it was heavy handed, it was the strongest message Pakistan sent in years. "Soft image", honestly, fu** the image and act like the Muslim-version of Israel, at least until we get our balls back.

yeah buddy, well done for starting this thread. I agree with everything youve said here. We're just in a bit of a pickle because as you said these idiots picked a time when the CJ issue is going on and also its an election year. However i think the government is being very clever in not doing anything for the time being. Since it shows people what to expect from mullahs if people vote for the MMA etc in the upcoming elections.

I believe after the elections are done with we'll see a more heavy handed approach from the govt. Personally the first thing i would like to see in there is a bulldozer promptly followed by armed police