Autonomie de la Kabylie

[Redalinho]

Appel du MAK (Mouvement pour l'Autonomie de la Kabylie)

http://www.kabylia.info/radio/

[Redalinho]

Le Mouvement pour l'autonomie de la Kabylie (MAK) a fait son apparition en juin 2001, au moment où la Kabylie était confrontée à une grave crise née de l'assassinat par des gendarmes algériens d'un jeune Kabyle nommé Massinissa Guermah dans l'enceinte de leur commissariat.

Cet assassinat a été suivi de violentes confrontations entre les jeunes et les gendarmes qui ont tué lors de ces affrontements près de cent vingt-cinq d'entre eux par balles explosives.

Ces assassinats ont fait l'objet de nombreuses condamnations, dont celle de la Ligue algérienne de défense des droits de l'homme.

Depuis, la Gendarmerie, corps de l'armée algérienne, a été bannie de la Kabylie.

Drapeau de la Kabylie:



La partie bleue représente l'eau qui est la richesse de la Kabylie et la liberté qui est la base de la culture kabyle. La partie jaune représente le climat ensoleillé, la lumière du savoir et du progrès

[nwusaad]

In the same way that Moroccans are against the independence of Western Sahara, I am against the independence of Kabylie.
I think that the world is becoming more regionalized for economic and political strength, further dividing North Africa will cause more problems for the region.

[Redalinho]

We are talking about the autonomy of Kabylia not its independance.
It's the best solution to the Kabyle issue in Algeria, and I'm for a "Maghreb des Régions" and not a "Maghreb des Gouvernements" it's is in this way that we are be able to build the UMA.
I'm also for the autonomy of other Moroccan and Algerian regions to preserve their linguistic and cultural traditions ( Rifis, Chaouis, Zayane, Touareg...etc)

[belgiumguy]

My thought is that if the Sahrawi can get their goverment then the Berbers in the rif too

[TooNs]

Originally Posted by belgiumguy

My thought is that if the Sahrawi can get their goverment then the Berbers in the rif too

Huh? Why "the Berbers in the Rif"? Sorry mais toutes les regions doivent etre autonomes... And I'm fed up of ppl talking like if the Rif was too different from other moroccan regions. :\

[icosium]

kabylie is part off algeria ,
MAK is a small minority in kabylie
the region has social and cultural and economic isssue
but the berber (kabylie ) are not asking for autonomie or
independance
the region payed heavy price for independance off algeria 54-62
(war with france )
we always heard those rumors kabylie want this and that
by the way i am berber

[Purple Dreams]

Originally Posted by belgiumguy

My thought is that if the Sahrawi can get their goverment then the Berbers in the rif too

The Rif became Spanish with the Treaty of Fes so it's different from the W.Sahara.

[belgiumguy]

Originally Posted by Purple Dreams

The Rif became Spanish with the Treaty of Fes so it's different from the W.Sahara.

If it wasn't for the Berber people of the Rif we would probably speak spanish now and the nort would be spanish too.The only reason why I want an autonmous goverment s because of the State is't very much to fight the problems;poverty,hashish plants,..

[TooNs]

Originally Posted by belgiumguy

If it wasn't for the Berber people of the Rif we would probably speak spanish now and the nort would be spanish too.The only reason why I want an autonmous goverment s because of the State is't very much to fight the problems;poverty,hashish plants,..

Hashish plants are not a problem, the problem is the fact that Hashish is illegal (except in Ketama district).

[Purple Dreams]

I think hashish should be legalized.

[nwusaad]

Originally Posted by Purple Dreams

I think hashish should be legalized.

Once Morocco legalizes and develops transparent laws about the use of alcohol, then we can start talking about hash legalization.
Until now, legislation prevents the sale of alcohol to Moroccan muslims, but the government just discards its application. As a result, it can not clearly combat transportation accidents.
Many accidents are because of drunk driving, but they they can not fight it by using the alcootests... since technically people are not allowed to drink..in order for police to test driver's Blood Alcohol Concentrations.

If we are talking about developing clear and transparent laws to prevent these problems... the govt should start with alcohol and less controversial issues. Rather than be a pioneer in the world in legalizing hash.

[Purple Dreams]

Originally Posted by nwusaad

Once Morocco legalizes and develops transparent laws about the use of alcohol, then we can start talking about hash legalization.
Until now, legislation prevents the sale of alcohol to Moroccan muslims, but the government just discards its application. As a result, it can not clearly combat transportation accidents.
Many accidents are because of drunk driving, but they they can not fight it by using the alcootests... since technically people are not allowed to drink..in order for police to test driver's Blood Alcohol Concentrations.

If we are talking about developing clear and transparent laws to prevent these problems... the govt should start with alcohol and less controversial issues. Rather than be a pioneer in the world in legalizing hash.

I agree with everything you said. What I personally think about hashish is that it's hypocritical to outlaw it while at the same time allowing alcohol; it's a double standard IMO. And I had more the West in mind with my previous statement where alcohol is officially legal. And just for the record, I personally neither drink alcohol nor smoke hashish. It's just a matter of principle as far as I'm concerned.

[yvonne]

Originally Posted by Redalinho

Le Mouvement pour l'autonomie de la Kabylie (MAK) a fait son apparition en juin 2001, au moment où la Kabylie était confrontée à une grave crise née de l'assassinat par des gendarmes algériens d'un jeune Kabyle nommé Massinissa Guermah dans l'enceinte de leur commissariat.

Cet assassinat a été suivi de violentes confrontations entre les jeunes et les gendarmes qui ont tué lors de ces affrontements près de cent vingt-cinq d'entre eux par balles explosives.

Ces assassinats ont fait l'objet de nombreuses condamnations, dont celle de la Ligue algérienne de défense des droits de l'homme.

Depuis, la Gendarmerie, corps de l'armée algérienne, a été bannie de la Kabylie.

Drapeau de la Kabylie:



La partie bleue représente l'eau qui est la richesse de la Kabylie et la liberté qui est la base de la culture kabyle. La partie jaune représente le climat ensoleillé, la lumière du savoir et du progrès

Oui je pense que la question berbère en afrique du nord est mal connue surtout les berbère du maroc qui ont tant souffert et qui sont encore à ce jour tellement méprisé! Achaque fois que je rencontre des berbères marocain , ils me parlent tous d'indépendance car ils ne se sentent aucune affinité avec le pouvoir marocain!

[aymour]

Originally Posted by yvonne

Oui je pense que la question berbère en afrique du nord est mal connue surtout les berbère du maroc qui ont tant souffert et qui sont encore à ce jour tellement méprisé! Achaque fois que je rencontre des berbères marocain , ils me parlent tous d'indépendance car ils ne se sentent aucune affinité avec le pouvoir marocain!

ah oui , pourtant moi je suis berbère, alors comme ca après ton premier post dans le theard du "projet d'autonomie du sahara", tu viens ici pour essayer de foutre la zizanie, si tu veux un petit conseille, essaye de changer de ton et te de montrer plus constructif, en nous épargnant ce genre de posts qui ne mènent a rien.

[TooNs]

/!\ Alerte au troll! /!\

[Mister79]

Originally Posted by Redalinho

We are talking about the autonomy of Kabylia not its independance.
It's the best solution to the Kabyle issue in Algeria, and I'm for a "Maghreb des Régions" and not a "Maghreb des Gouvernements" it's is in this way that we are be able to build the UMA.
I'm also for the autonomy of other Moroccan and Algerian regions to preserve their linguistic and cultural traditions ( Rifis, Chaouis, Zayane, Touareg...etc)

I agree with you. Just like Spain, with Catalonia, Baskenland etc who have autonomy.

[KNasser]

my dad is from kabylie(tizi ouzou) and i talked with him about this!
i voted before our talk and now i have a diferent opinion!
Why not?
in portugal the islands of madeira and azores have autonomy and that's not bad to portugal, it's even good!
so if that results with portugal why not with algeria?
the only thing i fear is the autonomy goes ahead, one few years late can appear some claims for independance of kabylie becaude there's only someone who wants more and more...and i'm against the independance.