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Old May 12th, 2007, 01:26 PM   #21
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I wouldn't say it is English-speaking countries vs others, but rather New World vs. Old World. Ireland is rather an exception in this case. For instance, South Africa is an English-speaking country, yet they use red triangles.
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Old June 17th, 2009, 02:08 PM   #22
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I prefer yellow diamond signs because the stand out more when driving, then again in Australia I am used to them.

There is really not much difference b/w both types of signs beacuse the symbol inside conveys the same message which is the more important issue.

Has anyone a map of which countrie use yellow diamonds and which countries have red triangle?
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Old June 17th, 2009, 03:30 PM   #23
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Well, if you want more contrast between regular signs and warning signs you can always use yellow triangle sign - we discuss the shape here, not the colour



Yellow triangle signs are used in Poland and most of the Scandinavian countries. Ex-YU countries used them, but they switched to white ones for no reason. Personally I like yellow signs better, they surely catches attention.

As the matter of shape, for me there is no much difference between diamond and triangle. Well, in some situations the pictogram can be easier fitted in the diamond, because they have slightly larger "usable area", but it's seldom a problem.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 08:36 PM   #24
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I like the Scandinavian model as well, and I've been there three months. Now I really need to adapt to the white signs and it feels "not right".



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Old June 19th, 2009, 10:39 PM   #25
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There a reason why we don't use a diamond shape in Europe. Diamond-shape sign covered by snow would look like a major road sign.

I don't like a American road signs. Maybe because I see european signs everyday. Signs with a simple pictures are better because they are understandable by people from different countries.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 11:04 PM   #26
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i don´t agree i think pictures are often more confusing than the written ones, i think everywhere road signs must be written in english.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 11:48 PM   #27
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There are many people who don't speak English. You cannot force them to learn it.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 11:55 PM   #28
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The idea behind pictorial signs were, that no matter what kind of language you speak, you can still understand the signs in other countries. Especially in Europe with many languages close to eachother.

Right now, English is becoming the main language in Europe (an Union), but that's no reason to replace the pictorial signs with text signs.
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Old June 20th, 2009, 12:00 PM   #29
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Chris, not only that, but pictograms can be recognised better from farer distance.
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Definitely prefer the pictorial signs rather than the text signs - coming from someone who has lived with both. I also much prefer the triangle signs to the diamonds probably because I'm far more used to triangles having grown up with them.

European signage is far clearer on the whole than the US styled signs I've found from driving in New Zealand. This isn't because it's better, it's simply because it has less text on it.
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Old June 20th, 2009, 12:16 PM   #31
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It isn't all scandinavian signs that are yellow, Denmark and Norway don't use yellow signs (except for text signs at construction sites). It is only Sweden that uses yellow signs because of the frequent snowfalls in the north.
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Old June 20th, 2009, 12:35 PM   #32
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I can surely understand that Swedish call, just odd that Norway does not take the same approach: same North, same snowfall.

But to go back to the original topic of diamond vs. triangle, I can see one advantage in diamonds: you have more space available to show what you are actually warning for. That said, it's not much of a difference, surely not worth the fuss of replacing all the triangles of the world with diamonds. Also agree with all those who say that it's far better to warn with a pictogram than with text. But I guess that too, like the colour of the warning sign, goes beyond the triangle vs. diamond debate.
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 04:41 PM   #33
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i don´t agree i think pictures are often more confusing than the written ones
Can you give an example?
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 09:25 PM   #34
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Ireland adopted the Diamond signs in the 1950s before the European standards had been fully harmonised. Having a reasonable system with the symbols that are generally those used in Europe it was not worth changing. Some other differences in Irish signage were changed.

The priority road sign does not exist in Ireland (or other drive on the left countries) so there is no confusion with the shape.

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Within 30 years, 95% of US warning signs will be either entirely pictorial or pictorial with text supplement, so it's somewhat of a moot point. I base that speculation on the consistent addition of pictorial options and preferences in the MUTCD editions.

I think the triangle signs are more aesthetically pleasing in their red and white forms, but that the yellow diamonds impart information more easily. The fluorescent yellow diamonds for school and pedestrian traffic are a major benefit, as well.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 02:31 PM   #36
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I like the Scandinavian model as well, and I've been there three months. Now I really need to adapt to the white signs and it feels "not right".


In Romania (and potentially in other countries) the reason for using warning signs with a white background is that the yellow background is reserved for construction/maintenance-related warnings, or other situations that have a relatively temporary character, that create a hazard (land slide, bridge failure etc.)
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 08:01 PM   #37
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That is how it is in Norway as well. Yellow danger, and prohibition signs when the signs is only temporary.
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That is how it is in Norway as well. Yellow danger, and prohibition signs when the signs is only temporary.
You also have yellow center line, dividing two lanes of opposite directions. How do you deal with this in case of temporary signage? Same situation in Finland.
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 08:43 PM   #39
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The world took up the autobahn, why can't they take up the red triangle? I don't understand!
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The world took up the autobahn, why can't they take up the red triangle? I don't understand!
Yellow diamond works just as well, and there's no need to change it?

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