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Old June 26th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #61
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Old June 27th, 2009, 03:34 PM   #62
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As for the amount of text, most newer signs don't have as much as they used to.
That pic you provided is not common by any means, most would just say "NO PARKING".
Okay, but we're talking about one sign on one particular place now. What if a combination of signs have to be placed? For instance: I know just a spot in the city I live in (no photo) with a few signs under each other. If you would fully text it, it would be something like: "no allowance to drive this road in this direction (other direction is allowed) from 7 to 9 am, except for public transport buses, bicycles, mopeds and agricultural traffic." And this is even not the worst example. On a pictoral way it's already very difficult to handle, but when fully texted it's just impossible get the meaning of this sign passing at a normal driving speed...
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Old March 17th, 2010, 11:57 PM   #63
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Pretty much everyone here knows these signs by heart. You know them by heart long before you even start driving.
[about "no parking" and "no stoping" signs:]

But his point is valid to an extent. First of all, "no parking" (one red line) is used quite rarely, and could be replaced with "no stopping" sign supplemented by e.g. "max 1 minute" board below. Secondly, what the heck do two red lines forming a cross on a blue background mean?[img]http://t3.************/images?q=tbn:g06_8dR0p7dOfM:http://www.art-bhp.com/images/zdw-06.jpg[/img] Not clear for beginners at all, neither for visitors, and it's quite an important sign.



As for the comparison between NA and EU, diamonds are as good as triangles. Size does not matter, because you can redesign the pic, or make the sign bigger. So for me they are equal, except for 1) obscure European signs, should be replaced with text (how often do you see this? and how clear is it?), and 2) silly NA signs where the text is unclear even for people with better knowledge of English, e.g. x-ing (ex-ing? what?). The RXR sign isn't very clear, either.


I also find the European reversed triangle and white-yellow diamond somewehat better, because the system provides a fail-safe backup. In Europe, if you see no signs, you yield to the right (left), which in effect forces almost complete stop at the crossing. The system is not only immune to destruction of signs by accident or theft, but due to the unique shape, also immune to teenager spray- or turn-around-the-sign-attack.

NA system does not provide this redundancy, probably for the reason of "backwards compatibility", or cost of rural implementation.

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Old March 18th, 2010, 12:39 AM   #64
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In the province of British Columbia, Canada where I live, most of the signs are pictorial on North American diamond shape signs. There are actually very few text signs. With the exception of distance, street names, some construction signs ( including "Accident Scene"), "Ferry Landing", "Tunnel" (Which also applies to avalanche galleries) and the odd "Slow" and "Keep right except to pass" sign, most of our signs have been replaced by pictorial signs. For the most part, they are pretty much idiot proof in terms of understanding them.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 12:44 AM   #65
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I prefer the triangle ones.

Here in Denmark, most of our signs are red and white.
Yellow is used for construction work only, and they superseed the normal red/white signs.
Blue signs are used for:
- Parking
- Lane-maps
- Motorway exits
- Merge signs (except for the special motorway merge sign)
- Min. speed limits

Green signs are used for motorways only.

Triangle signs are warning signs.
Up-side down triangle signs are Yield signs
Circular signs are prohibition-signs
Square signs are recommendation-signs
Diamond sign is only used to mark primary roads
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Old March 18th, 2010, 01:28 AM   #66
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[about "no parking" and "no stoping" signs:]
silly NA signs where the text is unclear even for people with better knowledge of English, e.g. x-ing (ex-ing? what?).
X is a common abbreviation in the English language to denote 'crossing'. For example, Kings Cross railway station in London is referred to as 'Kings X'. No offence intended but I therefore don't see the problem with its use in the USA.

'Ped X-ing' is much easier to fit into a sign or paint on a road lane than 'pedestrian crossing'.

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I also find the European reversed triangle and white-yellow diamond somewehat better, because the system provides a fail-safe backup. In Europe, if you see no signs, you yield to the right (left), which in effect forces almost complete stop at the crossing. The system is not only immune to destruction of signs by accident or theft, but due to the unique shape, also immune to teenager spray- or turn-around-the-sign-attack.

NA system does not provide this redundancy, probably for the reason of "backwards compatibility", or cost of rural implementation.
Again, this is possibly due to what you're used to. Here In the UK we don't have the European white/yellow diamond and do just fine. In fact we simply give way/yield to traffic on the main road.
If in doubt, give way/yield to traffic on the right - this does not need a sign - it's a fundamental rule taught to drivers before they pass an exam.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 01:31 AM   #67
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I don't know if anyone else thinks the same? but I find that yellow diamonds 'stand out' more in settings where there are bigger and wider roads and a wider landscape to divert attention from the driver.
On the other hand, red triangle signs seem much more aesthetically pleasing and sit in well with the more intimate landscape found in Europe.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 01:39 AM   #68
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in Brazil we use the yellow













and, the famous "No passing" ...


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Old March 18th, 2010, 02:47 AM   #69
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I prefer the triangle for warning signs. For me a triangle is a classic symbol for warning. The diamond is not a warning for me. But maybe because I'm used to the triangles.

But it doesn't matter if the triangles are white or yellow.

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Old March 18th, 2010, 09:52 PM   #70
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European "no stopping" and "no parking" signs are very vague. The "no parking" sign looks like it's just saying "No!" and the "no stopping" sign looks like it means "HELL NO!!!"

Better idea: Have a red octagon with some negatory indication for "no stopping" and a P with some way to say "no" for "no parking" - in the US, it's typically a red circle/slash over the symbol for whatever's forbidden.

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Old March 18th, 2010, 10:42 PM   #71
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European "no stopping" and "no parking" signs are very vague. The "no parking" sign looks like it's just saying "No!" and the "no stopping" sign looks like it means "HELL NO!!!"

Better idea: Have a red octagon with some negatory indication for "no stopping" and a P with some way to say "no" for "no parking" - in the US, it's typically a red circle/slash over the symbol for whatever's forbidden.

This sign for "no parking" is similar to the old European sign for "no parking".
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:25 PM   #72
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Use of the letter P was not very useful for creating unity in European signs. We also have Cyrillic and Greek script. Why they once chosed the blue background, I don't know.

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First of all, "no parking" (one red line) is used quite rarely
Perhaps in your country. In NL the no parking sign is more common than the no stopping sign.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #73
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I prefer the triangle for warning signs. For me a triangle is a classic symbol for warning. The diamond is not a warning for me. But maybe because I'm used to the triangles.

But it doesn't matter if the triangles are white or yellow.

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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:40 PM   #74
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That's also the no parking sign used in the Republic of Ireland, which also has a mix between North American Diamond signage (instead of triangles) but with pictograms found on European roads on the actual sign
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That's also the no parking sign used in the Republic of Ireland, which also has a mix between North American Diamond signage (instead of triangles) but with pictograms found on European roads on the actual sign
One think i think is interesting is Ireland have diamond who looks American but with European symbols. But in UK there is triangle signs in normal European standard. Nearly all of the signs in UK looks very continental European.
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Old March 18th, 2010, 11:58 PM   #76
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Yes, although I wouldn't necessarily say 'European' but rather they mostly conform to international standards.

One sign I don't like in the UK is our 'give way' triangle. In other European countries it is an upside down triangle with a white background - and self evident. Here, it has 'give way' written on it. I know its minor but I prefer them without text!

No parking signs are not used like they are elsewhere in Europe, with the emphasis being on yellow lines instead. You may find a tiny no parking sign attached to lamp post etc nearby. Occasionally you see a full sized European style no parking sign here but it's very random as to where you can find them!
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Old March 19th, 2010, 08:57 AM   #77
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I don't know if anyone else thinks the same? but I find that yellow diamonds 'stand out' more in settings where there are bigger and wider roads and a wider landscape to divert attention from the driver.
I drove a lot in Europe and the North America, and to me, both red triangles and yellow diamonds stand out the same.


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On the other hand, red triangle signs seem much more aesthetically pleasing and sit in well with the more intimate landscape found in Europe.
That is because you learned to associate red triangles with European landscapes. Had yellow diamonds been used in Europe all these years, you would have said that yellow diamonds sit well with landscapes in Europe.
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Old March 19th, 2010, 09:10 AM   #78
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Can anyone find something wrong in this sign? It's from Australia.

Also, a lovely representation of the upcoming intersection, also from Australia:

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Old March 19th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #79
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Yep. I see. The skid mark runs ahead of the car. Right?
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Old March 19th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #80
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