Hyderabad Metro Updates

[obis01]

Originally Posted by rajeev_14012008

i think its not about emotion its about livelihood.

Sacrifice !!! what about big and fat four wheelers ....

Agree..It's not just livelihood of persons ifs livelihood of many familes..But need to find amicable solution (morethan reasonable compensation).

[deepakhearthacker]

special thank for mangalore mania

[Irrational_Indian]

Hey, Do we still have differential pricing on the Metro?

[tankbund]

I have always advocated this kind of seating that is mor comfortable. These cars are well lited with huge windows. I hope, HYD Meto does not choose the Blore or Dubai kind. They are terrible.

Thanks

[ygvjs2000]

This is no doubt a good comfort. There are some metros example DC metro is on this model. The other ones like Bangalore, Dubai, NYC are on a different model. If they find there are more standing passengers then absolutely the other ones are good because they fit in more passengers and less scope to sit.But honestly it is going to be tiresome and why would any body want to stand when the intention of metro is for the commuter's comfort.
They should plan to choose this model and plan on to increase or decrease the cars based on the demand.

Originally Posted by tankbund

I have always advocated this kind of seating that is mor comfortable. These cars are well lited with huge windows. I hope, HYD Meto does not choose the Blore or Dubai kind. They are terrible.

Thanks

[skdubai]

Originally Posted by obis01

Agree..It's not just livelihood of persons ifs livelihood of many familes..But need to find amicable solution (morethan reasonable compensation).

Bottom line "It is the greatest good to the greatest number of people which is the measure of right and wrong." -Jeremy Bentham

or going scifi "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" :P

[rajeev_14012008]

Originally Posted by skdubai

Bottom line "It is the greatest good to the greatest number of people which is the measure of right and wrong." -Jeremy Bentham

or going scifi "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" :P

Yes.

But what can be done for few.......
A. Kill them..... (Pol Pot )
B. Give them solution....

Do we need 100 ft road on 71 KMs?
I think NO. You do not need big road on metro route as people will travel in metro...... connecting roads needs to bigger.

Metro is for public?
Yes.... then why commercial? If u need land then..... create commercial space in stations and give them to people whose livelihood is going to effect.

[Vara123]

Originally Posted by rajeev_14012008

Yes.

But what can be done for few.......
A. Kill them..... (Pol Pot )
B. Give them solution....

Do we need 100 ft road on 71 KMs?
I think NO. You do not need big road on metro route as people will travel in metro...... connecting roads needs to bigger.

Metro is for public?
Yes.... then why commercial? If u need land then..... create commercial space in stations and give them to people whose livelihood is going to effect.

I can understand the feelings of the people whose livelihood is going to effect. But this time Government giving them a good compensation. right?

One good thing with metro land acquisition is that the Government has not changed the alignment to benefit the Bada Babus like the waythe previous Government did in the ORR land acquisition .

[obis01]

Any update when will pillar work start on Miyapur-SRNagar route?

[skdubai]

Originally Posted by rajeev_14012008

Yes.

But what can be done for few.......
A. Kill them..... (Pol Pot )
B. Give them solution....

Do we need 100 ft road on 71 KMs?
I think NO. You do not need big road on metro route as people will travel in metro...... connecting roads needs to bigger.

Metro is for public?
Yes.... then why commercial? If u need land then..... create commercial space in stations and give them to people whose livelihood is going to effect.

Highways are for public then why tolls? schools are for public, then why fees?

You cant have everything! govt doesn't want invest in metro, but when someone does, you expect them to do it as a charity..

[rajeev_14012008]

Originally Posted by skdubai

Highways are for public then why tolls? schools are for public, then why fees?

You cant have everything! govt doesn't want invest in metro, but when someone does, you expect them to do it as a charity..

As it is a business L & T should have a deal/agreement with people who are loosing their livelihood. It should take land/property from them for lease and proceed further.

Highways are for public then why tolls? schools are for public, then why fees?
I know the answer, if you do not know then ......

You cant have everything! govt doesn't want invest in metro, it is just interested in ......
- Service Tax
- Income Tax
- VAT
- CST
- GST
- Duty
- Road Tax
- Birth Tax
- Death Tax
- Property Tax
Have you anytime visited a area like..... Kundanbagh, basically all govt official have residence here...... and its so clean..... only diff is that ..... they do not pay property tax it is paid by govt

[mangalore mania]

Hyderabad Metro: L&T chooses French co Keolis as O&M contractor
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HYDERABAD, MAY 4:

L&T Metro Rail (Hyderabad) Ltd has selected Keolis SA of France, as an O&M contractor for operating and maintaining the Hyderabad Metro Rail system.

Keolis is a subsidiary of the SNCF Group, a leading public transport operator in Europe, Australia, North America with a turnover of euro 4.1 billion.

The O&M contractor will be involved during the formative stage of the project so that its expertise can be utilised in the metro rail operations and maintenance, said a release from L&T Metro Rail.

The objective of engaging Keolis is to adopt the best international practices in metro operations and achieve high standards of reliability and safety. It would also help in routine, preventive and corrective maintenance.

[World8115]

Originally Posted by Prodigist

Dumbest expansion Plan ever.. They are just extending the Lines.
Atleast Phase 2 should have connected Mehdipatnam.

Maybe the Shilparamam-Airport route would take Shilparamam-Gachibowli-Shaikpet-Toli Chowki-IRR.. This is more probable because there is more population density here.

There is already PVNR expressway in this route (Retibowli-Aramgarh). I dont think it is possible to construct metro on side of road for such long stretches

Originally Posted by obis01

http://www.eenadu.net/Pannelsinner.aspx?qry=htm/panel8

HMRL starting second phase survey in below lines

1. Miyapur-BHEL-Patancheru 15KM

2. Falaknuma - Shamshabad via 29 radial road 12KM

3. LB Nagar -Vanastalipuram 4KM

4. Nagole - LBNagar - Falaknuma 15KM

5. JNTU - Shilparamam - Gachibowli 14KM

6. Jubli bus station - Alwal 8KM

7. Gachibowli - Tolichowki - Lakdikapool 17KM

8. Mettuguda - ECIL via Malkajgiri 12KM

[nandan_ks]

Originally Posted by tankbund

I have always advocated this kind of seating that is mor comfortable. These cars are well lited with huge windows. I hope, HYD Meto does not choose the Blore or Dubai kind. They are terrible.

Thanks

Dear Tankbund,

Will Hyderabad have such less patronage for Metro as in the Pic ???
If the patronage would be so low, then why Metro ??
Do you expect the Metro to take, lets say 15 mins to travel a KM??
What makes you think that the other metros are not well lit??

Regards,

[tankbund]

Originally Posted by nandan_ks

Dear Tankbund,

Will Hyderabad have such less patronage for Metro as in the Pic ???
If the patronage would be so low, then why Metro ??
Do you expect the Metro to take, lets say 15 mins to travel a KM??
What makes you think that the other metros are not well lit??

Regards,

MR Nandan

Plz read my post carefully. I did not say other Metros were not well lit. The example given was for transverse seating (preferred), as opposed to longitudinal seating. I don't understand your comment on patronage. The pic example sighted has many seats available; to be occupied. It also has normal standing room. I do not understand your comment about this.
Why should we not seek a comfortable ride on the Metro. Is it a foregone conclusion that Metro rides should be uncomfortable with people falling over each other like most other city trains and buses. Is it a sin to look forward to a comfortable Metro ride where most of the people are comfortably sitting and enjoying their ride. In fact, That should be our goal. I was totally unimpressed with the Dubai metro cars, for example. I am recommending more comfortable rolling stock. What is wrong with that. We need to get rid of this mode of thinking that we have to provide maximum standing room for maximum occupancy. What we shoule be planning for is a comfortable journey, improved frequency, and on time arrivals and departures.

Of what I am reading about the Hyd Metro, it looks like they are on the right track, no pun intended. L&T wants to provide the very best systems in the world as per their own statements. More power to them. I wish the completion of the first 6-8 km is expedited even more and will take less than 3 years to complete (as stated by L&T).

Regards

[tankbund]

Originally Posted by nandan_ks

Dear Tankbund,

Will Hyderabad have such less patronage for Metro as in the Pic ???
If the patronage would be so low, then why Metro ??
Do you expect the Metro to take, lets say 15 mins to travel a KM??
What makes you think that the other metros are not well lit??

Regards,

NOT MY IDEA OF A COMFORTABLE METRO CAR - BLORE

[nandan_ks]

Off course its nobody's idea, but you are living in a dream world. Come back to reality of India.

Hyderabad has about 8 times more population than Helsinki. Just mutiply the number of people sitting in that pic with 8, and you will not find seating for many of the people and probably no space to even stand.

The earlier pic you posted might have around 200 seats to sit. and space for lets say about 70. So totaling to 270 - 300 in a coach. So assuming Hyd Metro runs a 3 coach train, the carrying capacity is ~1000 per train.

Now compare this, Blr metro and Delhi metro have a seating capacity of ~53 per coach and a total carrying capacity of 1000 per coach.

Metro is a MASS RAPID Transit system its not for a comfortable relaxing sight seeing train tour.


PS: As of now, it is still a comfortable ride of your type in Blore metro.

[tankbund]

Originally Posted by nandan_ks

Off course its nobody's idea, but you are living in a dream world. Come back to reality of India.

Hyderabad has about 8 times more population than Helsinki. Just mutiply the number of people sitting in that pic with 8, and you will not find seating for many of the people and probably no space to even stand.

The earlier pic you posted might have around 200 seats to sit. and space for lets say about 70. So totaling to 270 - 300 in a coach. So assuming Hyd Metro runs a 3 coach train, the carrying capacity is ~1000 per train.

Now compare this, Blr metro and Delhi metro have a seating capacity of ~53 per coach and a total carrying capacity of 1000 per coach.

Metro is a MASS RAPID Transit system its not for a comfortable relaxing sight seeing train tour.

Mr Nandan
Did not mean to ruffle your Blore feathers. That is just not my intention. I pointed out Dubai too. The Blore cars I have seen with longtudinal seating are just too uncomfortable. I completely disagree with your premise that a mass transit system should be just that. "uncomfortable" is not a benchmark we need to aspire to. If the HYD Metro is going to pack people like sardines, I would rather not have it. A Metro system is inherently ugly (structure). Moreover, no Metro system has any significant impact on road traffic anyway. You should know that very well, hailing from Blore. I am willing to bet that the namma metro system will have practically no impact on Blore traffic for the next 10-20 years. After that, marginally. Only good town planning can reduce the traffic mess. A Metro is an alternative method of transport for some. For some others it could be a Bus. For few others it could be a car etc.

I would not be caught dead riding a Metro every day to work. It is just too uncomfortable a thought for me. Taking an auto or bus to the metro station, climbing the stairs (escalators if lucky), waiting for the train, hopefully arrives on time, disembarking from the train, running down a flight of stairs, hailing an auto (worse, waiting for a bus), and then reaching my destination is not exactly very exciting.

Actually, the Metro is great for tourists. Hence, I would prefer the metro to be a comfortable experience not just for tourists, but for all users. So, I strongly disagree with your statement that a Metro should be designed for "maximum discomfort", so that, we can move the maximum number of people possible.

I believe in a Metro that moves the maximum people with maximum comfort.
That is what I want the HYD Metro to be.

Regards

PS: As of now, it is still a comfortable ride of your type in Blore metro.

THANK YOU. I WIIL RIDE THE NAMMA METRO THEN.

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