Brisbane Busway System

Danubis · April 6th, 2007, 05:03 AM

Translink -Busways Website

Current and Proposed Network

Inner Northern Busway

Northern Busway

Bogga Road Busway

Eastern Busway

Buranda - Coorparoo Junction

Coorparoo Junction - Carina Heights

Carina Heights - Carindale

Carindale - Chandler West

Chandler West - Chandler East

Chandler East - Capalaba West

Aussie Bhoy · April 6th, 2007, 08:59 AM

It sure is a bold plan, I wish it was rail, but I can see the ecomonic reasons for using busses. I am suprised that so much of it will be tunnels, I thought that they would use the old tram tracks section in Carina. What is the chance of this going ahead, NSBT is billions, and this looks like a similiar distance of tunneling.

I used the inner north busway for the first time yesterday and was pretty impressed. It is much bigger than I had imagined, and the new Roma St and city parts will make it even better.

Danubis · April 6th, 2007, 09:06 AM

i think they're already underway in constructing the eastern busway - hence the more detailed maps... and i think they'll start the first part of the northern busway (to just past the royal) this year. i dont think they'll do anymore north until after the nsbt is finished

its interesting looking at the network picture, that a western busway must surely be on the cards much further down the tracks, considering the amount of money and effort they've put in making the bogga road connection thru to the green bridge?!?!

BleakCity · April 6th, 2007, 09:10 AM

Is there any sort of comparitive study up there for busway against fixed rail costs.

I would have thought laying rails would be cheaper than bitumen, and higher capacity rail services could cut staffing and other operating costs. If you've already completed the major engineering works...

SEQ92 · April 6th, 2007, 09:32 AM

I don't like the current proposal for the Dutton Park tunnel connection. It chops an already chopped park in two.

Danubis · April 6th, 2007, 10:03 AM

lol it wasnt that flash a park anyway... just used as a gay beat as far as i know.

SEQ92 · April 6th, 2007, 10:20 AM

What is now chopped up by the bridge used to be used regularly as a football/soccer field. I always wonder what happened to the old goal posts.

But it cannot be used for that purpose anymore, there are all these plants in the middle and the bridge itself brings wierdo's to its underneath.

How do I know? I live close to it and used to use it regularly.

Danubis · April 6th, 2007, 10:23 AM

fair nuff, cant say i actually ever went there.

Orfeo · April 6th, 2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chinimick

What is now chopped up by the bridge used to be used regularly as a football/soccer field. I always wonder what happened to the old goal posts.

But it cannot be used for that purpose anymore, there are all these plants in the middle and the bridge itself brings wierdo's to its underneath.

How do I know? I live close to it and used to use it regularly.

The Ecuadorian soccer club has moved to Yeronga, and this is in fact a better site simply for access to matches. They removed the goal posts when the bridge was under construction.

But other than the playground near Annerley road, which has not been affected by the bridge, the park isn't really utilised and will be no worse off with the completion of the connection of the bridge to the Boggo Road busway.

I've never seen weirdos underneath the bridge, and I go across it at all times of the day/night.

SEQ92 · April 6th, 2007, 12:45 PM

If the soccer club is now at Yeronga, then why is the old soccer building still there, and why was it renovated prior to construction of the bridge if it was obvious that the club would move?

Orfeo · April 7th, 2007, 05:07 AM

^
Firstly they didn't renovate the building in the last few years - the building was completed in about 01/02 and has been exactly the same since. It was only in 02 that the idea of a 'green' bridge conceived, so no could have know that the expenditure would be a waste. Next, the building was used by builders durring construction. Currently the building is listed as a 'community facility' and is used by the groups which use the field - after all, why would they knock down a perfectly good building constructed only a few years ago?

Map Born · May 3rd, 2007, 03:39 PM

Recently had a one off need to use a Brisbane train. Compared to the Busways, they're excellent.

Busways are much lower capacity with individual buses, all the rocking and rolling of truck like suspension/chassis and the need to deal with drivers.

Brisbane still suffers from the split mentality of trains by the state gov and buses by the council. This will forever impede true intergrated PT planning.

What the Busways need are many more feeder services dropping users at stations and then connecting with a light rail service (as the Busways were designed for future conversion) that is as frequent as at least every 5 mins.

KJBrissy · May 4th, 2007, 08:45 AM

Was speaking to an engineer working on the Boogo Road Busway who said that they are building in the required 'stuff' for the light rail tracks in the busway and all they ave to do is just rip up the top layer. Not sure exactly how that works but this is my rememberance of what he said.

||-GOB-|| · May 4th, 2007, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJBrissy

Was speaking to an engineer working on the Boogo Road Busway who said that they are building in the required 'stuff' for the light rail tracks in the busway and all they ave to do is just rip up the top layer. Not sure exactly how that works but this is my rememberance of what he said.

That's good news. By the time they actually finish the Eastern Busway they'll have to start converting it to light rail almost immediately.

aussieguy2001 · May 4th, 2007, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJBrissy

Was speaking to an engineer working on the Boogo Road Busway who said that they are building in the required 'stuff' for the light rail tracks in the busway and all they ave to do is just rip up the top layer. Not sure exactly how that works but this is my rememberance of what he said.

Awesome I could always see it going this way eventually. They should have done this right from the start, then we wouldnt be in the mess we are in with busses, can you imagine how many extra new busses would be freed up if they ran light rail to replace the BUZ 111 and 160 to Eight Mile Plains & Garden City.

gappa · May 4th, 2007, 12:18 PM

Interesting. Am I right in thinking the bus ways are completely grade seperated like Adelaide's Obahn? If so why not heavy rail? Won't that handle a larger number of passengers than buses. Are they not thinking of the future?

aussieguy2001 · May 4th, 2007, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gappa

Interesting. Am I right in thinking the bus ways are completely grade seperated like Adelaide's Obahn? If so why not heavy rail? Won't that handle a larger number of passengers than buses. Are they not thinking of the future?

As that way you could still run local busses on the bus way and use the trams for the high frequency busway only routes.

SEQ92 · May 4th, 2007, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aussieguy2001

Awesome I could always see it going this way eventually. They should have done this right from the start, then we wouldnt be in the mess we are in with busses, can you imagine how many extra new busses would be freed up if they ran light rail to replace the BUZ 111 and 160 to Eight Mile Plains & Garden City.

Don't forget the 333, it uses a lot too.

Arnzy · May 4th, 2007, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ||-GOB-||

That's good news. By the time they actually finish the Eastern Busway they'll have to start converting it to light rail almost immediately.

Would be interesting come time to convert the SE busway to Light rail (or even dual mode Light Rail/Bus) from what I read the infrastructure for LR is already built in all busways. It is just the top layer, like the other busways need to be ripped up (or put back in if dual mode LR/BUS).

Many southside bus services are concentrated down the SE Busway.

WestEnderBender · May 4th, 2007, 07:03 PM

Problem here is that the busway is so disconnected in most part from urban pedestrian areas along the SE Freeway. Light rail, like the buses, will drop people in areas far from higher density and shops etc. Ie between Southbank and Garden City. Greenslopes and Holland Park stops are in the middle of nowhere!!!! Put it straight down logan road, it'd be much more useful (though I'm not even going to try and suggest how this could work.... a far better location for it nonetheless)

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April 6th, 2007, 08:59 AM	#2
Aussie Bhoy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,016 Likes (Received): 83	It sure is a bold plan, I wish it was rail, but I can see the ecomonic reasons for using busses. I am suprised that so much of it will be tunnels, I thought that they would use the old tram tracks section in Carina. What is the chance of this going ahead, NSBT is billions, and this looks like a similiar distance of tunneling. I used the inner north busway for the first time yesterday and was pretty impressed. It is much bigger than I had imagined, and the new Roma St and city parts will make it even better.

April 6th, 2007, 09:06 AM	#3
Danubis Charlatan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Adelaide Posts: 3,422 Likes (Received): 505	i think they're already underway in constructing the eastern busway - hence the more detailed maps... and i think they'll start the first part of the northern busway (to just past the royal) this year. i dont think they'll do anymore north until after the nsbt is finished its interesting looking at the network picture, that a western busway must surely be on the cards much further down the tracks, considering the amount of money and effort they've put in making the bogga road connection thru to the green bridge?!?!

April 6th, 2007, 09:10 AM	#4
BleakCity ̙͈̩ͫ̎Ż̙̟̜̌ͫ́̒Hwhateͧ ̃̌va Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 50͟҉0͏ ̵̧M͠҉ì͜͡l̢͢e͢s҉ Posts: 2,513 Likes (Received): 47	Is there any sort of comparitive study up there for busway against fixed rail costs. I would have thought laying rails would be cheaper than bitumen, and higher capacity rail services could cut staffing and other operating costs. If you've already completed the major engineering works...

April 6th, 2007, 09:32 AM	#5
SEQ92 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 1,317 Likes (Received): 0	I don't like the current proposal for the Dutton Park tunnel connection. It chops an already chopped park in two.

April 6th, 2007, 10:03 AM	#6
Danubis Charlatan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Adelaide Posts: 3,422 Likes (Received): 505	lol it wasnt that flash a park anyway... just used as a gay beat as far as i know.

April 6th, 2007, 10:20 AM	#7
SEQ92 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 1,317 Likes (Received): 0	What is now chopped up by the bridge used to be used regularly as a football/soccer field. I always wonder what happened to the old goal posts. But it cannot be used for that purpose anymore, there are all these plants in the middle and the bridge itself brings wierdo's to its underneath. How do I know? I live close to it and used to use it regularly.

April 6th, 2007, 10:23 AM	#8
Danubis Charlatan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Adelaide Posts: 3,422 Likes (Received): 505	fair nuff, cant say i actually ever went there.

April 6th, 2007, 12:45 PM	#10
SEQ92 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 1,317 Likes (Received): 0	If the soccer club is now at Yeronga, then why is the old soccer building still there, and why was it renovated prior to construction of the bridge if it was obvious that the club would move?

April 7th, 2007, 05:07 AM	#11
Orfeo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Brisbane Posts: 3,392 Likes (Received): 14	^ Firstly they didn't renovate the building in the last few years - the building was completed in about 01/02 and has been exactly the same since. It was only in 02 that the idea of a 'green' bridge conceived, so no could have know that the expenditure would be a waste. Next, the building was used by builders durring construction. Currently the building is listed as a 'community facility' and is used by the groups which use the field - after all, why would they knock down a perfectly good building constructed only a few years ago?

May 3rd, 2007, 03:39 PM	#12
Map Born Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 551 Likes (Received): 9	Recently had a one off need to use a Brisbane train. Compared to the Busways, they're excellent. Busways are much lower capacity with individual buses, all the rocking and rolling of truck like suspension/chassis and the need to deal with drivers. Brisbane still suffers from the split mentality of trains by the state gov and buses by the council. This will forever impede true intergrated PT planning. What the Busways need are many more feeder services dropping users at stations and then connecting with a light rail service (as the Busways were designed for future conversion) that is as frequent as at least every 5 mins.

May 4th, 2007, 07:03 PM	#20
WestEnderBender Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 749 Likes (Received): 7	Problem here is that the busway is so disconnected in most part from urban pedestrian areas along the SE Freeway. Light rail, like the buses, will drop people in areas far from higher density and shops etc. Ie between Southbank and Garden City. Greenslopes and Holland Park stops are in the middle of nowhere!!!! Put it straight down logan road, it'd be much more useful (though I'm not even going to try and suggest how this could work.... a far better location for it nonetheless)