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Old April 6th, 2009, 10:15 PM   #2001
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dont talk stupid... check the volumes on MR4...
10000. Its only more near Debrecen. Main road 4 doesnt need motorway urgently,especially since its destiination is already served by M3/M35. It has the traffic of M30. Even main road 6 has bigger traffic than main road 4.

Motorway for main road 4 is only economical in its Pest county section.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 10:26 PM   #2002
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Motorway for main road 4 is only economical in its Pest county section.
And thats where it wont be. How shortsighted
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Old April 6th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #2003
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is road 710 part of future M8?
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Old April 6th, 2009, 10:29 PM   #2004
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according to KTI's drawings, the M4 corridor has much higher traffic than road 6 or 44 for that matter:
http://www.kti.hu/index.php/szolgalt...magyarorszagon
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Old April 6th, 2009, 10:38 PM   #2005
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according to KTI's drawings, the M4 corridor has much higher traffic than road 6 or 44 for that matter:
http://www.kti.hu/index.php/szolgalt...magyarorszagon
I trust "közút" in this more.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #2006
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I trust "közút" in this more.
Whats there to trust? They either have catastrophically bad figures which I dont believe, or they are good enough to judge the volume of traffic, at least comparatively.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 11:06 PM   #2007
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is road 710 part of future M8?
yes

some pictures about the construction.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 11:08 PM   #2008
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Gosh, i was hoping it wasnt
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Old April 6th, 2009, 11:10 PM   #2009
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.Even main road 6 has bigger traffic than main road 4.

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yes, and MR6 is getting a motorway parralel to it.why shouldn't MR4 get one also?
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Old April 7th, 2009, 03:05 AM   #2010
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I trust "közút" in this more.
This one is interesting:

http://www.kti.hu/uploads/images/Tre...edik/5-067.jpg

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the traffic on the M3 b/w Polgar and Nyiregyhaza is lower than on the parallel national road (?!). This is not something you see often in comparable situations.

Anyways, what a pleasure it is to drive east of the M30 / M3 junction...

You can just set the cruise control (of the car if you have one, or yourself's) to 180(+) and just flow!... Well, except for two things:

1. That stupid tight and long right (if going east) turn near Polgar... you need to go less than 150 and be careful there (I wonder why in the world wasn't that section built straighter... must be some natural park, from what I saw on some maps).

2. Inflection points (change between curves with opposite orientations) are really ****ed up on the Nyiregyhaza bypass... I really hope they will be fixed when the first major intervention will take place on this road.

Of course, the sweetest ride is always the M35. You go at about 180 and you still only hit a number of cars less than the number of your fingers on the entire stretch b/w Gorbehaza and the beginning of the Debrecen bypass.

Oh, and what a great thing, the collector/distributor motorway on the Debrecen bypass! That truly is something!! Afaik, there is nothing similar in Hungary, or this entire part of Europe, for that matter. Congrats to whoever designed those! Some of us will really be thankful for this in the medium to distant future!

To end this palinka-influenced ramble: maybe this is a bit too early, but when will someone think of widening the M1 from Budapest to Gyor to 2x3?
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Old April 7th, 2009, 03:40 AM   #2011
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Oh, and what a great thing, the collector/distributor motorway on the Debrecen bypass! That truly is something!! Afaik, there is nothing similar in Hungary, or this entire part of Europe, for that matter.
The closest is Bratislava. But I didn't know about Debrecen!
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Old April 7th, 2009, 09:48 AM   #2012
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10000. Its only more near Debrecen. Main road 4 doesnt need motorway urgently,especially since its destiination is already served by M3/M35. It has the traffic of M30. Even main road 6 has bigger traffic than main road 4.

Motorway for main road 4 is only economical in its Pest county section.
you talk stupid again... its more than 20,000... need no motorway, eh?

M3/M35 is a 80km detour on the ártánd/Ro - BP route, so most of this traffic goes on the MR4...
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Old April 7th, 2009, 10:05 AM   #2013
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The closest is Bratislava. But I didn't know about Debrecen!
you can see it on GOOGLE...
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Old April 7th, 2009, 10:12 AM   #2014
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nice graph... (have you seen it Rawlee? )

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the traffic on the M3 b/w Polgar and Nyiregyhaza is lower than on the parallel national road (?!). This is not something you see often in comparable situations.
well, thats a poor region, they dont have money for an expensive sticker...


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1. That stupid tight and long right (if going east) turn near Polgar... you need to go less than 150 and be careful there (I wonder why in the world wasn't that section built straighter... must be some natural park, from what I saw on some maps).
that stupid tight curve is because of an alignment change...
(there is a field with protected grass... )

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Of course, the sweetest ride is always the M35. You go at about 180 and you still only hit a number of cars less than the number of your fingers on the entire stretch b/w Gorbehaza and the beginning of the Debrecen bypass.

Oh, and what a great thing, the collector/distributor motorway on the Debrecen bypass! That truly is something!! Afaik, there is nothing similar in Hungary, or this entire part of Europe, for that matter. Congrats to whoever designed those! Some of us will really be thankful for this in the medium to distant future!
yeah, ******* waste of money...
but I suggest you not to speed, cause you will be severly fined!

man, you are not allowed to danger yourself by speeding on an empty motorway...

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maybe this is a bit too early, but when will someone think of widening the M1 from Budapest to Gyor to 2x3?
early...
the current (and near future) volumes doesnt recuire a third lane...
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Old April 7th, 2009, 10:41 AM   #2015
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you talk stupid again... its more than 20,000... need no motorway, eh?

M3/M35 is a 80km detour on the ártánd/Ro - BP route, so most of this traffic goes on the MR4...
You talk stupid:



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Old April 7th, 2009, 10:54 AM   #2016
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ok, some correction:
on some sections its more than 20,000 and in avareage it almost 20,000...

its just the double of MR6...
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Old April 7th, 2009, 02:12 PM   #2017
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If you look at some maps,where it is 20000,there we have agglomerations of big cities, just before and after Debrecen and Nyíregyháza. That traffic wont ever go onto a motorway. The lowest amount on any road between 2 points on the route is the closest to the amount of constant trafic. We have a 5000 volume on the beginning sections in Hajdu-Bihar county,and that contains all the traffic to/from Budapest.

Here's main road 6's page. Traffic is only marginally lower. To get a proper picture of M6's future traffic,main road 56 and 57 should be taken into consideration,and main road 51 could possibly loose some traffic to M6 too,while M4's traffic would be mainly from main road 4.



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Old April 8th, 2009, 03:09 AM   #2019
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And, yeah, H123Laci, wth? What's up with you?
You don't seem to like any proposed or ongoing motorway project in .hu at the moment! Should all the money go to education and health? Or beggar's protection maybe, :P?
I agree, a country with a sick education or health system is doomed to death. But that is not the case of Hungary.

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Old April 8th, 2009, 01:02 PM   #2020
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That traffic wont ever go onto a motorway.
you talk stupid again.
why do you think that the bp-monor/cegléd/szolnok traffic wont use the motorway?

currently the M4 is only 10km (vecsés-üllő bypass) and I use it regularly...

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Here's main road 6's page. Traffic is only marginally lower.
nope. significantly lower. about half of MR4.

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To get a proper picture of M6's future traffic,main road 56 and 57 should be taken into consideration...
why?
that traffic IS IN the traffic figues of MR6.
you dont have to add it to the traffic of MR6 again...

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and main road 51 could possibly loose some traffic to M6 too,while M4's traffic would be mainly from main road 4.
volume on MR51 is low and is for local traffic...
M4 will get some traffic from M3/M35 which is a huge (80km) detour...


you argue against M4 with the slow development of the transylvanian motorway...

and what about the transbosnian motorway?

(the V/C corridor will only be fuctional when it will reach to ploce... till then it will be a ghost-motorway...

but the MR4 is an important international transit route ALREADY.
and it should be an official europian corridor... )
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