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Old July 21st, 2009, 01:34 PM   #2301
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Accident on M3:

The motorway was closed for the night,during which the overpass was planned to be built. Some elements fell down from the pylons at 5 in the morning,so the motorways could not be opened for the traffic,and is still closed. It was planned to be closed for 2 nights for the construction of the overpasses of M31.

In the radio,drivers said that the 15km between Aszód and Gödöllő takes 80 minutes.
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Old July 21st, 2009, 02:59 PM   #2302
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What's the purpose of M31 ? To connect better M0 and M3 ?
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Old July 21st, 2009, 04:03 PM   #2303
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More or less,yes.
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Old July 21st, 2009, 05:48 PM   #2304
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I have driven throughmany European highways and I would say that Hungary probably has the best highways in Europe together with Croatia, Holland, UK and Germany.
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 03:39 PM   #2305
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well thats somewhat because we 'imported' the german standard

however be prepared to 100s of kms of much less in the near future: tesco value highways are coming..great
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 09:21 PM   #2306
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autout ?
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 09:24 PM   #2307
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 09:44 PM   #2308
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Yes, I know but that's what is coming ? Tesco value roads ?
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 09:59 PM   #2309
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Yes, I know but that's what is coming ? Tesco value roads ?
No. Most probably main road standard with elevated speed limit. Like lack of hard shoulder,smaller curves and such.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 01:48 AM   #2310
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Highways are highways and motorways are motorways.
I don't think there will be any different standards for M31, M6, M43, M3 east of Nyiregyhaza, M44 etc., but they will be similar to the great already existing motorways.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 10:28 AM   #2311
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Highways are highways and motorways are motorways.
I don't think there will be any different standards for M31, M6, M43, M3 east of Nyiregyhaza, M44 etc., but they will be similar to the great already existing motorways.
a lemon is similar to an orange, yet you wouldnt bite into a lemon now would you

btw M44, M86, M85, M4 will all be crap
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Old July 24th, 2009, 12:51 PM   #2312
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a lemon is similar to an orange, yet you wouldnt bite into a lemon now would you

btw M44, M86, M85, M4 will all be crap
Will they at least design and build them such that they can be easily upgraded later into standard motorways?
(i.e. design corresponding geometric elements; make sure you do all the land acquisition now; conceive all the structures as needed etc.)
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Old July 24th, 2009, 04:02 PM   #2313
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Will they at least design and build them such that they can be easily upgraded later into standard motorways?
(i.e. design corresponding geometric elements; make sure you do all the land acquisition now; conceive all the structures as needed etc.)

no, thats the whole point: they are saving on
- curviture (lots of villages to go around, the bigger the curve the more expensive it gets)
- gradients (hills...well, west of the danube anyway, make it more expensive if they have to cut deeper)
- volume of soil
- volume of concrete and asphalt (2x2 as obbosed to 2x3)

so if they were to upgrade them to the full specs, that would essentially require a complete rebuilding (with the exception of the soil already there)



imho
- we should upgrade the already existing and rather dense main road network
- build ~500 (~2000 kms) of ringroads
- resurface close to 8000 kms of the single and double digit main road network

only build highways where the numbers suggest them, but then build them to full specs

for example if you look at the numbers, there is NO need for M3 after Nyíregyháza or M6 south of Dunaújváros...these areas would benefit a LOT more by a complete rebuilding of the single and double digit main roads in the area

also, M4 should preceed the M44, as a full motorway
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 12:39 PM   #2314
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m7

m7 motorway. These are not my pictures.





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Old August 5th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #2315
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M7 Székesfehérvár - HR border

I took some photos on my croatian trip from the M7, altaugh it was very early in the morning... I didn't take pictures before Székesfehérvár because it was too dark.

1. E distance sign.


2. Approaching exit 70, Tác.


3. After the exit.


4. Keep distance!


5. Approaching exit 80, Lepsény.


6. Keep minimum two mark distance.


7. It's dangerous to stay on the hard shoulder.


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9. Sóstói pihenőhely ( rest area Sóstó)


10. Empty motorway, Siófok-kelet (Siófok-east) exit in the background.


11. Old distance sign (now Nagykanizsa is reachable on M7 too).


12. Zagreb is still 2 hours away.


13. Approaching exit 112, Siófok-nyugat (Siófok-west).


14. Last overpass on the old section.


15. On the newer section.


16. This is the section Zamárdi - Balatonszárszó (inaugurated in 2007.)


17. Zagreb 234 km.


18.


19. 110 km/h from there.


20. Approaching the exit 121, Balatonföldvár.


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22. Exit 121 and a wild overpass(?).


23. After the exit.


24. Viaduct Kőröshegy.


25. On the bridge.


26. From the bridge. I took that pic from a double-decker bus on 9 June 2009 (on my way to Spain).


27. At the end of the bridge.


28. Cutting.


29. Viaduct S14 (305m), at the exit 126, Balatonszárszó.


30. Viaduct S16 (266m), after exit 126.


31. Very wide. Section Balatonszárszó - Ordacsehi (inaugurated in 2005)


32. Approaching exit 130, Balatonöszöd.


33. Nice cuttings.


34. Extremely wide bridge.


35.


36. Taking a break at Balatonlellei pihenőhely (rest area Balatonlelle) MOL + Marché.


37.


38. Approaching exit 150, Foynód. Now on the section Ordacsehi - Balatonkeresztúr (inaugurated in 2006)


39. Motorway engineering and police at the exit.


40. Exit 150.


41. Specific hungarian dual distance sign. Zagreb is still 199km.


42. Empty.


43. Zoooom.


44. Approaching Keresztúri pihenőhely (rest area Keresztúr). Next gas station is 26km far away.


45. Approaching exit 170, Balatonkeresztúr.


46. Now on the section Balatonkeresztúr - Nagykanizsa (inaugurated in 2008)


47. After the exit 175, Hollád.


48. After the Szegerdői phenő (rest area Szegerdő), this is a simple rest area without gas station.


49. Approaching exit 183 Sávoly.


50. Overpass for wild animals and an other for people.


51. Exit 191, Zalakomár.


52. The only INA gas station in Hungary, operator is MOL.


53.


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55. Wingding route.


56. Approaching the exit 206, Nagykanizsa-kelet (Nagykanizsa-east).


57. At the exit 206.


58. Now on section Nagykanizsa - Sormás (inagurated in 2007).


59. Approaching exit 211, Nagykanizsa.


60. Distance sign. Now E65, E71.


61. Border crossing is stil 22km, Zagreb is still 138km.


62. Approaching rest area Sormás.


63. The simple rest areas in Hungary look alike this.


64. On the newer sections there are wide median at curves.


65. Approaching exit 219, Sormás.


66. Now on section Sormás - Becsehely (inagurated in 2006)


67. At the exit 224, Becsehely.


68. After the exit. Now on section Becsehely - Letenye (inagurated in 2004).


69.


70. Approaching to the M7-M70 junction (exit 232).


71. Last exit before the border crossing. The yellow sign says the old border crossing is open for cars too.


72. Turning left, direction Croatia.


73. Korongi híd(bridge) (115m) in the background. Speed limit is 110 km/h.


74. This is the first extradosed bridge in Hungary.


75. Approaching the border. Now three lanes. The border crossing inaugurated is 2008
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Old August 5th, 2009, 06:48 PM   #2316
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Great report! thanks

I like the Hungarian signage, quite good.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 06:53 PM   #2317
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This is a bit confusing...if you dont know that the old border is the reason why Zagreb is signed twice,then one could end up in Slovenia in no time.
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Old August 5th, 2009, 06:55 PM   #2318
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Nice pics!

I have a question: Why trucks are prohibited to drive further to the border?
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Old August 5th, 2009, 07:04 PM   #2319
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Nice pics!

I have a question: Why trucks are prohibited to drive further to the border?
I guess to spare capacity,and to spare money on truck-examinig infrastructure. The old border is like a 800m away:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...10378&t=h&z=13
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Old August 5th, 2009, 09:34 PM   #2320
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I have a question:

In September I'll be go from Poland to Balkan Country. How much I'll pay for Motorway in Hungary (from Austrian Border to Serbian Border - M1 + M5) ??

Thanx
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