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Old September 26th, 2009, 12:17 AM   #2381
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Thanks for the map

I counted 14 overpasses/underpasses/viaducts on this stretch - a lot for 12 km!
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Old September 27th, 2009, 01:39 AM   #2382
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M6 - 114km 2x2 130 motorway Dunaújváros-Bóly
M60 - 30,2km 2x2 motorway Bóly-Pécs
Wow, 144 km because of Pécs.
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Old September 27th, 2009, 12:18 PM   #2383
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Wow, 144 km because of Pécs.
It looks to me E-73 (most of it)
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Old September 27th, 2009, 08:26 PM   #2384
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I counted 14 overpasses/underpasses/viaducts on this stretch - a lot for 12 km!
yeah.
our peasants dont like detours...
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Old September 28th, 2009, 12:45 AM   #2385
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yeah and if they wouldn't build them, it would be those bastard communists again ruining the country...
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Old October 2nd, 2009, 10:38 PM   #2386
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M31 - 12km 2x2 110km/h motorway M0-M3 shortcut
M4 - ~10km Kisújszállás bypass
M43 - 31,6km 2x2 130km/h motorway Szeged-Makó
M6 - 114km 2x2 130 motorway Dunaújváros-Bóly
M60 - 30,2km 2x2 motorway Bóly-Pécs
M9 - 12,3km 2x1 main road 51-54

total:210.1km

Well its not that bad, even though we go a year without significant increase. By the end of 2010 we will have close to 1300 kms out of a _realistic_ 2500 km final network and out of a _futuristic_ 3500 km network. Furthermore, by ~2015 we will be well above 1500 kms.

My only beef is the with the increase of 2x2s and the decrease of 2x(2+1)s.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #2387
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Road numbering in Hungary:

Motorways and expressways

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Old October 5th, 2009, 10:47 PM   #2388
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1st class main roads



2nd class main roads (two digit numbers)



2nd class main roads (three digit numbers)



Old format numbers (can be found on some signs yet, usally on lower class crossing roads near junctions where the signs will be changed later)



E-roads


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Old October 5th, 2009, 11:12 PM   #2389
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This sign is missing from the 2nd class list...



The Debrecen - Berettyóújfalu section is part of E79
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Old October 5th, 2009, 11:33 PM   #2390
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oh, so you also have sections with triple E-roads
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Old October 5th, 2009, 11:35 PM   #2391
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That's why I don't like E-roads. They mess up the signs, and nobody uses them in daily usage anyway...
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Old October 5th, 2009, 11:54 PM   #2392
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That's why I don't like E-roads. They mess up the signs, and nobody uses them in daily usage anyway...
That's why Scandinavian coutries use only the E number on these roads.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 11:57 PM   #2393
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That's because they adopted the E-numbering system as the numbering ONLY. Quite a difference with other European countries who only sign it as a secondary system, or only sparsely, at distance signs, or not at all (UK).
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Old October 6th, 2009, 12:20 AM   #2394
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oh, so you also have sections with triple E-roads
Yes, on the 2 red marked section

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Old October 6th, 2009, 12:29 AM   #2395
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They should just keep the E roads in all countries. Why call them something else too? Is another road category too hard to comprehend?
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Old October 6th, 2009, 06:21 PM   #2396
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They should just keep the E roads in all countries. Why call them something else too? Is another road category too hard to comprehend?
it can be a problem because in many countries E routes don't cover main national routes
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Old October 6th, 2009, 09:25 PM   #2397
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nobody here knows the E numbers except lorry drivers
i dont expect its any different elsewhere in europe
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Old October 6th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #2398
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and geeks like us
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Old October 6th, 2009, 11:46 PM   #2399
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My only beef is the with the increase of 2x2s and the decrease of 2x(2+1)s.
I disagree!
We have lots of (finished and U/C) higways ("autópálya") where a simpler construct (2*2 "autóút" - highway with soft shoulder) would be perfect:

M3 M35-Mátészalka - 80 km
M30 - 29 km
M35 - 44 km
M6 Dunaújváros-Szekszárd - 118 km
M60 - 30 km
maybe M3 M30-M35 - 36 km

This is more than 300 km. And the cost difference is huuuuuge. With this "downgrade" we can save as much money as 100 km of "autóút". And we lose almost nothing...
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Old October 7th, 2009, 12:06 AM   #2400
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And we lose almost nothing...
except comfort, safety, capacity, upgradability, speed and stature


i suppose you would prefer something like the slovenian network

well let me tell you that there's a WORLD of difference between those and say the M7
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