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Old November 16th, 2009, 08:06 PM   #2501
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I dont think HR will join immediately Schengen, when entering EU, so there will be probably some minimal border infrastructure easy to remove.
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Old November 16th, 2009, 11:32 PM   #2502
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Main road 47 Algyő-Hódmezővásárhely widening in finish (photos taken on Thursday)

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Old November 19th, 2009, 11:21 PM   #2503
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Speaking of this (M0a vs. M51), some more palinka inspired me to take proper consideration of the Hungarian motorway and expressway system numbering.
The general conclusion was: "I don't like what I see".

I agree (somewhat) with the numbering of the main axes (M0 - M9).
However, the numbering of the secondary axes makes me

Take M3 branches for example. M31 shortcut to M0. Then M30 to Miskolc, M35 to Debrecen, M49 to Csengersima, and M?? northwest of Vasarosnameny.

Of M5, we branch first M44 and then M43 (which, mind you, is soooo far off from, say M49!)
Okay, to begin with, I would remove the "M" from expressways-numbering, it could be a letter "A" or even a little "m" or something else.
M31 should be signed M03, M8 should be signed the same from west to east borders of Hungary, because it is one stretch. The M70 is also the last motorway to branch off the M7.

I really don't like this at all. Indeed, they tried to complement the "new" Mx numbering with the old national road numbering. I think they should've chosen either modeling the motorway numbering based on the old national roads, or redo it completely.

On top of all the above, consider the km-numbering of the M0 as going increasing on the route M1 - M7 - M5 - M3 -... as opposed to the natural (planned) numbering of the kms M1 - M2 - M3...

So... anyone dares to post a map of how the motorways of Hungary could have been better numbered?
What I don´t like to see is the "M" numbering with expressways, it should be signed differently, maybe a "m" or another letter.
M8 should be signed from the austrian border to the romanian.
The M31 should be called M03 but it is a little bit too far, I don´t know.
As I said, motorways / expressways should have different signages. I´m pleased with "M" for motorways
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Old November 20th, 2009, 04:47 PM   #2504
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What I don´t like to see is the "M" numbering with expressways, it should be signed differently, maybe a "m" or another letter.
M8 should be signed from the austrian border to the romanian.
The M31 should be called M03 but it is a little bit too far, I don´t know.
As I said, motorways / expressways should have different signages. I´m pleased with "M" for motorways
In the early 90's the expressways were signed "S" like in Austria on the long term plans.



From about 1995 these roads are also signed "M". There are at least two reasons why:

1.) It's useless to use one more letter in road numbering system, it makes the system only more complicated. The letter "M" is totally enough, it means a higher comfort road, without reference to the singnage. There are not only 3 categories (motorway, expressway, main road) but there are mixed types:

- Motorway-liked expressways (eg. M0 north)
- Motorway-liked main roads (Budapest, 44, M30)
- Half profiled motorways (M15, M70)
- Expressways (to be motorways in the future) (4)
- Expressways (probably not to be motorways in future) (61, M0, M2, M9, M86)
- Expressway-liked main roads (which will be expressway) (4, 8)
- Expressway-liked main roads (which will never be motorway or expressway) (3, 11, 26, 37)
- Main roads built as part of future motorways (4, 710)
- Earlier there were motorways built with temporary half profile but to be upgraded soon (M1, M5, M7) ("soon" means 20 years...)
- etc.

In these cases it's hard to decide which is "S" or "M" or anything or nothing.

2.) (The real reason ) Politics: The planned "S"-road connected larger cities felt that they are less than "M"-road cities and they exclaimed against it. So all of the "S" roads were changed to "M" to avoid political war.


By the way the first expressway was numbered I (one) without any letters from 1961 to 1965. Using of "M" letter (and not "A") was decided in 1965 so
the main road "I" changed to M1 in 1965 (to 1977) (not the existing M1, today it's main road 1 Törökbálint - Tatabánya). So the very first "M" numbered road was also not a motorway.



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Old November 20th, 2009, 05:18 PM   #2505
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That was M1? What about M7? Wasn't it also built in 1960s?
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Old November 20th, 2009, 07:39 PM   #2506
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That was M1? What about M7? Wasn't it also built in 1960s?


"ROAD NO. I-VII OPENING OF THE FIRST HUNGARIAN MOTORWAY - 1964"
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Old November 20th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #2507
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That's weird. So M1 was called like that, but M7 wasn't (which was opened 1 year earlier)?
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Old November 20th, 2009, 10:26 PM   #2508
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Atza, te road looks apsolutely kickass.
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Old November 20th, 2009, 10:33 PM   #2509
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That's weird. So M1 was called like that, but M7 wasn't (which was opened 1 year earlier)?
The M1 expressway (today's main road 1) was opened in 1961 as I, the common section of the M1 and M7 motorways was opened in 1964 as I-VII.

In 1965 these were renumbered as M1 and M1-M7.
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Old November 21st, 2009, 03:20 AM   #2510
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Ah, so both roads were numbered with "M" at the same time.

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Old November 24th, 2009, 06:35 PM   #2511
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M6 Szekszárd-Bóly

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Some fresh pictures from M6 Szekszárd-Bóly, by index.hu:















































Deadline is 31st March 2010, together with M6 Dunaújváros-Szekszárd and M60 Bóly-Pécs
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Old November 24th, 2009, 06:45 PM   #2512
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A question: does Szekszárd have anything to do with sex?
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Old November 24th, 2009, 07:03 PM   #2513
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Old November 24th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #2514
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A question: does Szekszárd have anything to do with sex?
Well,people there probably also practice this sinful habit.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 08:28 PM   #2515
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More than others, it seems.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 10:04 PM   #2516
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A question: does Szekszárd have anything to do with sex?
Szekszárd --> old name: Szegszárd

szeg = corner

szeg than steep curve on the river
At Szekszárd on Danube & Sárvíz, at Szeged on Tisza, at Szeghalom on Körös, at Körösszeg (Cheresig RO) on Körös, at Szegvár on Kurca, at Diószeg (Diosig RO) on Ér, etc.

szeg than nook in valley
Zalaegerszeg, Hátszeg (Haţeg RO), Borszeg (Burzuc RO), Hosszúszeg (Langeck im Burgenland AT), Komjátszeg, (Comşeşti RO), etc.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 12:00 AM   #2517
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Main road 4 and 405 from Abony to M5



Road 4 Albertirsa - Cegléd bypass was built in the early 70's, in 1975 the road was in operation. It looked like a simple 2x1 lanes road with at-grade crossings, but the road was designed as the half track of the future M4 motorway. The lagre (>1500 m) radius curves are still unusual on main roads in Hungary.

Now, after 35 years M4 is still future but since 2000 the upgrade of the road has started:
- 56,0 - 60,6 km upgrade to expressway (2x2 lanes, opened in 2004)
- 69,6 - 76,8 km upgrade to expressway (2x2 lanes, opened in 2006)
- Abony bypass (total length 17,7 km, 12 km is part of future M4, 2x1 lanes, opened in 2005)

Abony bypass





Near Cegléd






Near Albertirsa








1st class main road 405
Opened in 1995. This road is not part of the motorway network (yet), it was constructed to give an alternate route for the very crowded road 4 near Budapest and to connect road 4 with M0 in a "cheap" way. Raised speed limit is 100 km/h.





Rest area





M5 interchange at the end of 405

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Old November 25th, 2009, 12:20 AM   #2518
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Interesting.

As I've seen two-lane roads with 110 km/h limits, how do they determine if those roads get a 100 or 110 limit? They seems to be the same.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 12:30 AM   #2519
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Szekszárd --> old name: Szegszárd

szeg = corner

szeg than steep curve on the river
At Szekszárd on Danube & Sárvíz, at Szeged on Tisza, at Szeghalom on Körös, at Körösszeg (Cheresig RO) on Körös, at Szegvár on Kurca, at Diószeg (Diosig RO) on Ér, etc.

szeg than nook in valley
Zalaegerszeg, Hátszeg (Haţeg RO), Borszeg (Burzuc RO), Hosszúszeg (Langeck im Burgenland AT), Komjátszeg, (Comşeşti RO), etc.
There's another interesting name up there, but thanks for now.
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if you look at the pictures again, you'll see that 110 only applies to 2x2 and 100 only applies to 2x1

2x1 is normally 90 but when the quality is this good they can up it to 100
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