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Old February 22nd, 2007, 10:52 AM   #241
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In the 60s-70s an insane goal of an insane government was to create a monumental Budapest... Now You can see the outcome... And this is not only shown by the 105,9 kms long bypass road.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 10:52 AM   #242
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In the 60s-70s an insane goal of an insane government was to create a monumental Budapest... Now You can see the outcome... And this is not only shown by the 105,9 kms long bypass road.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 11:02 AM   #243
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^ IMO it's rather economically advantegous to have big city, more intensive concentration of people on one place speeds up the economy.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 11:02 AM   #244
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^ IMO it's rather economically advantegous to have big city, more intensive concentration of people on one place speeds up the economy.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 11:40 AM   #245
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Future plans of the Hungarian highway developments.

In 2008, only 40 kms of highways will be completed.
Both the northern sector of M0 bypass road with the new Danube bridge and the remaining 36 kms of the M7 highway between Nagykanizsa and Balatonkeresztúr is going to be finished in the mid summer of 2008. Probably earlier if the weather continues to be so gracious. So its not much...
BTW we'll finally have another completed highway.

But this year, works on 158(+23?) kms are going to start mainly based on the M6 highway. Preliminary works have already ended almost everywhere. The outcome of the tenders will be announced soon, so the projects will be finished in 2009 or worst case, just days before the 2010 elections. Not to mention that Pécs is going to be the European Capital of Culture in 2010, so its vital to have a highway connection, without that the city is totaly unreachable.

The projects:

- M31 expressway between M0 bypass road and the city of Gödöllő located on the M3 highway. (12 kms)
- M6 highway section between Dunaújváros and Szekszárd. (67 kms)
- M6 highway section between Szekszárd and Bóly. (48 kms)
- M6 highway section between Bóly and Pécs. (31 kms)
- M56 highway section between Bóly and Ivándárda (border crossing to Croatia). (23 kms) In this case unfortunatelly I found no information, so I/We could only hope... That last 23 kms is really not to much, isn't it? Or I ask to much?
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 11:40 AM   #246
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Future plans of the Hungarian highway developments.

In 2008, only 40 kms of highways will be completed.
Both the northern sector of M0 bypass road with the new Danube bridge and the remaining 36 kms of the M7 highway between Nagykanizsa and Balatonkeresztúr is going to be finished in the mid summer of 2008. Probably earlier if the weather continues to be so gracious. So its not much...
BTW we'll finally have another completed highway.

But this year, works on 158(+23?) kms are going to start mainly based on the M6 highway. Preliminary works have already ended almost everywhere. The outcome of the tenders will be announced soon, so the projects will be finished in 2009 or worst case, just days before the 2010 elections. Not to mention that Pécs is going to be the European Capital of Culture in 2010, so its vital to have a highway connection, without that the city is totaly unreachable.

The projects:

- M31 expressway between M0 bypass road and the city of Gödöllő located on the M3 highway. (12 kms)
- M6 highway section between Dunaújváros and Szekszárd. (67 kms)
- M6 highway section between Szekszárd and Bóly. (48 kms)
- M6 highway section between Bóly and Pécs. (31 kms)
- M56 highway section between Bóly and Ivándárda (border crossing to Croatia). (23 kms) In this case unfortunatelly I found no information, so I/We could only hope... That last 23 kms is really not to much, isn't it? Or I ask to much?
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 11:57 AM   #247
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^ IMO it's rather economically advantegous to have big city, more intensive concentration of people on one place speeds up the economy.
This is true, but in case of small countries like Hungary the balance between the capital and the other regions could be desperately moved in favor of the capital. And without a proper regional alliance these regions can't really represent their interests. Naturally in an economy/system that functions well this wouldn't be a problem, but where the governments main supporters/voters are in the capital city, it is.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 11:57 AM   #248
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^ IMO it's rather economically advantegous to have big city, more intensive concentration of people on one place speeds up the economy.
This is true, but in case of small countries like Hungary the balance between the capital and the other regions could be desperately moved in favor of the capital. And without a proper regional alliance these regions can't really represent their interests. Naturally in an economy/system that functions well this wouldn't be a problem, but where the governments main supporters/voters are in the capital city, it is.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 12:19 PM   #249
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Highway vignette prices

In Europe, naturally the most expensive one year valid vignette is in Hungary.
Prices shown in euros...

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Old February 22nd, 2007, 12:19 PM   #250
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Highway vignette prices

In Europe, naturally the most expensive one year valid vignette is in Hungary.
Prices shown in euros...

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Old February 22nd, 2007, 01:03 PM   #251
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I cant see that pic is too small.. what si that pic about?
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 01:14 PM   #253
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I figured it could be a problem. The original picture is the almost unusuable...

Highway fees in Euros/one year valid vignette:

Hungary: 138€
Austria: 73€
Bulgaria: 65€
Czech Republic: 32€
Slovakia: 29€
Switzerland: 27€
Romania: 21€

(If I see them right.)

The other one show the countries and prices (in eurocents)where Toll gates are used.

Spain: 8,0 eurocents/km
France: 7,8 eurocents/km
Portugal: 5,8 eurocents/km
Italy: 5,7 eurocents/km
Croatia: 5,3 eurocents/km
Slovenia: 5,0 eurocents/km

(If I see them right.)
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 01:14 PM   #254
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I figured it could be a problem. The original picture is the almost unusuable...

Highway fees in Euros/one year valid vignette:

Hungary: 138€
Austria: 73€
Bulgaria: 65€
Czech Republic: 32€
Slovakia: 29€
Switzerland: 27€
Romania: 21€

(If I see them right.)

The other one show the countries and prices (in eurocents)where Toll gates are used.

Spain: 8,0 eurocents/km
France: 7,8 eurocents/km
Portugal: 5,8 eurocents/km
Italy: 5,7 eurocents/km
Croatia: 5,3 eurocents/km
Slovenia: 5,0 eurocents/km

(If I see them right.)
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 08:43 PM   #255
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This is true, but in case of small countries like Hungary the balance between the capital and the other regions could be desperately moved in favor of the capital. And without a proper regional alliance these regions can't really represent their interests. Naturally in an economy/system that functions well this wouldn't be a problem, but where the governments main supporters/voters are in the capital city, it is.
But you live in Budapest so what's the problem. If anybody from regions wants to, he can move there as well. I see quite big advantage with big populous Budapest in the middle of the country, it's probably economically better than smaller cities hundreds kilometres far away from each other.
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This is true, but in case of small countries like Hungary the balance between the capital and the other regions could be desperately moved in favor of the capital. And without a proper regional alliance these regions can't really represent their interests. Naturally in an economy/system that functions well this wouldn't be a problem, but where the governments main supporters/voters are in the capital city, it is.
But you live in Budapest so what's the problem. If anybody from regions wants to, he can move there as well. I see quite big advantage with big populous Budapest in the middle of the country, it's probably economically better than smaller cities hundreds kilometres far away from each other.
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In the long term, decentralized economy works best. It is a bit like comparing Germany and Switzerland with Britain and France.

One of the reasons Czech economy is stronger than ours is that we have little else other than Budapest, while you have Brno and Ostrava. So geographically, the wealth distribution is more even there.

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In the long term, decentralized economy works best. It is a bit like comparing Germany and Switzerland with Britain and France.

One of the reasons Czech economy is stronger than ours is that we have little else other than Budapest, while you have Brno and Ostrava. So geographically, the wealth distribution is more even there.

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Old March 6th, 2007, 02:52 PM   #259
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This is true, but in case of small countries like Hungary the balance between the capital and the other regions could be desperately moved in favor of the capital. And without a proper regional alliance these regions can't really represent their interests. Naturally in an economy/system that functions well this wouldn't be a problem, but where the governments main supporters/voters are in the capital city, it is.
This is true, and basically this thread is kind of dedicated to this problem. A better infrastructure reaching important cities like Debrecen is inevitable. Connecting the cities via high-speed motorways is a way to speed to up the economy.

Btw, what do you think, will the new part of M0 be built on time? They were lucky with the weather, hopefully it continues to be so, but if they wont be able to finish it, thats big trouble.
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This is true, but in case of small countries like Hungary the balance between the capital and the other regions could be desperately moved in favor of the capital. And without a proper regional alliance these regions can't really represent their interests. Naturally in an economy/system that functions well this wouldn't be a problem, but where the governments main supporters/voters are in the capital city, it is.
This is true, and basically this thread is kind of dedicated to this problem. A better infrastructure reaching important cities like Debrecen is inevitable. Connecting the cities via high-speed motorways is a way to speed to up the economy.

Btw, what do you think, will the new part of M0 be built on time? They were lucky with the weather, hopefully it continues to be so, but if they wont be able to finish it, thats big trouble.
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